The Beyonder (secret wars version) VS The Living Tribunal

Let's go by your statement: comic book writers almost never know what they're talking about when they delve into a scientific field. If that's the case, then they also don't know what they're talking about when they say Living Tribunal guards the multiverse, right? Maybe what they ment was

You still don't get it do you? LT guards the multiverse because WRITTERS decided so, Marvel decided so. If WRITTERS/Marvel decides to have the Beyonder from a realm beyond the Multiverse, they can. Hence, his name: The Beyonder. If he wasn't from the realm beyond the multiverse, he would be called The Beyonder; alien beings & cosmic gods wouldn't refer to him a The One From Beyond. The whole deal with him is that he's not from the universe or multiverse everyone knows, he's from beyond that. Beyond the reaches and power of any being. He killed Death and LT doesn't interfere? LT couldn't if he wanted.

Marvel writers don't know what they're talking about with science yes, but that is a completely different point than changing how characters work. If Living Tribunal acts as judge, jury, and executioner of the multiverse, any being within this multiverse is under his jurisdiction. EVEN IF Beyonder was outside the multiverse, once he enters LT's realm, he is under his power. Of course LT could if he wanted, that's absurd. Death is not on Tribunal's level, you can't say 'since Beyonder killed Death, he could take out Tribunal.' Not even close. The Living Tribunal knew Death could not 'stay dead,' he's just below the One, meaning he can see how things are to turn out. He wasn't needed, so he didn't waste his time.

Acting as judge, jury, and executioner means nothing. Just 'cause he has jurisdiction over a place doesn't mean he has complete control. Evidence, Mephisto getting wooped in his OWN REALM/JURISDICTION, Surtur against Odin in Asgard, Thanos w/ against Eternity in the universe which he embodies, etc.

As for Death, Beyonder killed Death. LT and every other cosmic wanted to but couldn't even stop him. Death isn't on LT's level but obviously LT and the rest of his cosmic buddies couldn't do shit - because Beyonder killed Death. And if LT knew Death would come back, why would he or the other cosmics ASK Beyonder not to? Furthermore, who says Death doesn't stay dead? Just because she's Death doesn't mean she can't be killed. She WAS dead.

Mephisto is outsmarted in his realm, rarely is he ever actually defeated. Thanos defeated Eternity because he embodied the fabric of space and time, and Odin has defeated Surtur. These are all different anyway because they are the leaders of this realm, but they do not literally control every whim if they desire to do so. It most certainly means everything that Tribunal is judge, jury, and executioner. It is his JOB to determine what exists and what does not. Nothing is above him except the One. That is the VERY NATURE of his character. Again, it's ridiculous to say LT couldn't do anything. You cannot argue that someone is incapable of doing something simply because they have not done it. LT doesn't have to ask anything, he is not supposed to interfere in things unless it is detrimental to the existence of ALL the universes. Beyonder was NOT a threat to ALL of existence. As for Death, she can die yes, but she can be resurrected as well. LT knew that she would be resurrected. The Tribunal can see the past, present, and future.

yes but his power over timje was not on par with that of the beyonder since if he KNEW, that the beyonder would never have destroyed the multiverse, he would have never tried to stop the beyonder

btw, beyonder looks like elvis

if i remeber correctly, when the beyonder felt that he had no place in the universe, he was just about to destroy the universe, and let me explain something else, the beyonder COULD generate a paradox in space time, but he didnt or COULDNT do it because it would end up destroying him and the entire multiverse.

If he felt that he had no place in the universe, then the solution would be:

1. Kill himself

2. Leave the universe

that would have been the logical course of action for a sane human but thats not how it was portraid in the comics

he didnt want to leave the universe because after all the things and the new reality he expirienced, he felt that he was not as complete as he thought before and for the first time felt that he lacked things, thus he felt desire for the first time

He does not look like Elvis. Elvis never looked like that; Beyonder is a David Hasselhoff reject.

Beyonder = Donny Osmon

Furthermore, if LT could see into the past, present, & future, why didn't he see Thanos was going kick his butt during The End. LT is powerful and all, but The Beyonder clearly was more powerful.

As for Mesphito, he doesn't just rule his realm; he has total control over his realm. He's used it against various enemies (Thor, Surfer, Strange, Doom, etc.) who he's battled, bringing his realm alive to attack his foes. Nevertheless, Galactus absorbed his realm and Mephisto retreated. Warlock used the soul gem and kicked Mephisto's butt; Thor has fought Mephisto and walked out of his realm before.

eleveninches, he felt like he had no place in the universe, no purpose. He wanted to find himself, find a purpose to his life. Unlike other cosmic beings who have some kind of role, he doesn't. He was the everything & the nothing but without a role. Freedom but what to do?

(1)
I desire to... understand
In my realm, I am all ! But here is multiplicity... here is diversity... here is incompleteness which I do not understand ! I desire to understand !
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(2)
In my universe, I was all ! Here there is multiplicity... diversity... incompleteness ! Why ?
The multiplicity and disunity of this universe is confusing !
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(3)
"In my realm, I was all, the entirety of my own universe ! I knew only of my own oneness --
"I decided that, even more than before, I desired to understand !
"Therefore, days of your time ago, I came to Earth to walk among those here !
With just a thought I subject all who live to my will without resistance, without a doubt... without exception !
Why should I limit my control to humans and other higher life-forms ? I can bring even the bacteria and viruses under my control !
And why stop there ? Even inanimate matter can be controlled ! How simple to seize control of every molecule, every atom, every particle of substance in the world !
Now... everything is mine !
I own everything, I rule everything, I control everything -- virtually, every particle of matter and erg of energy on this planet -- ! And yet I am uncontent !
Conquering the world, I found, did not bring an end to desire, but instead caused a greater sense of unfulfillment -- of incompleteness ! Possessions and power do not bring fulfillment !
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(4)
I'm beginning to understand the nature of desire, which seems to be the basis of most of the activity going on in this universe !
"I come from another universe, beyond yours! There I was all, the entirety of existence! I knew of nothing except myself...
"Eventually I came here and took human form, that I might come to experience and understand the way of things here!
I have learned much in my few days here! Today, I learned of something called love! I would like to experience it!
All at once, you are but a tiny speck of protoplasm, an infinitesimal mote in the whole of this universe -- and yet, inside, in the essence of your being, you are more, it seems, than the universe itself !
I am from beyond ! I have power far greater than the sum of all power in existence in the universe...
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(5)
I come from another universe...
I was alone there ! The idea of anything else existing never even occurred to me --
All of the more sophisticated races in the universe are fully aware of my presence here ! I'm the most powerful being in existence !
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(6)
As the univers goes along, there is a constant struggle taking place between life and death !
Ultimately, either all things will die and the universe will reach total entropy, or all the inhabitants of the universe will evolve into godlike, immortal beings and death will be vanquished !
I'm siding with the forces of life !
I'm still uncertain about all this ? I don't know yet exactly what my role is in the fight for life !
I'm bigger than the multiverse, and more powerful than all of the forces in it, of every kind, combined !
As long as I'm here, the "way" of the multiverse is my way !
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(7)
What am i, that entire armies attack me, though I am simply sitting and thinking ? Am I so monstrous -- ?
Maybe my true role is to teach all the others beings in existence what their true roles are !
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(8)
I'm so angry... that I want to destroy all existence !
Since I am the sum of everything beyond, without me, it's nothing ! It's not even a place, really !
Nothing is complete here ! No one thing is everything -- Not even me as long as there are other thing !
I can eliminate everything but me ! Then, I'll be the only thing -- ! I'll be all there is -- ! Complete, happy, fulfilled -- !
No force in existence could possibly destroy me without my consent.
Well, It's over now ! I'm going to destroy all existence right now !
Everything is mine if I choose ! And whatever doesn't please me is history !
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(9)
I came from a realm beyond the multiverse !
The trouble with being omnipotent is that reality isn't real to me! Everything is what I say it is!
My imagination and reality are virtually indistinguishable! All existence, except me, might as well be a figment of my imagination!
I know desire, because I'm incomplete --
Can I erase my own mind ? And if I do, what am I then ? Dead ?
I've taken human shape, but I've never truly become mortal ! I'm going to do it !
What a rush ! It was awesome... terrifying... exhilarating !
I'm not just an ordinary mortal ! I still have all my memories from before !
All the mighty of this multiverse fear me !
The trick is to become mortal, and yet also retain my power -- ! To have a finite element -- humanity -- inside my otherwise omnipotent self !
Finally! I always had omnipotence -- ! At last I'll have humanity too !

I'm pretty sure he can see the future; I read somewhere that's why he has three faces, to see the past, present, and future. Why he couldn't see Thanos could be because Thanos had the power of the One, meaning if he has power superior to LT, it doesn't work. Either way, Beyonder is not the One, and is not more powerful, plain and simple.

Of course Mephisto has total control over his realm, but that realm is not all of existence. Galactus exists outside his realm and exists on a higher level. The 'Hell' of Mephisto acts as a world, and Galactus can destroy any world, thus Galactus is obviously more powerful than Mephisto. Beyonder exists in this universe, trying to do things in this universe; Living Tribunal acts as judge of this universe, meaning he controls ALL actions within it if he so desires. Beyonder was not Thanos, he was a curious kid with a magnifying glass. That's not sufficient to throw the multiverse into chaos.

Everything Beyonder posted sounds about equal to the power of the IG. Thanos saw the difference when eh absorbed the Heart. Had beyonder done the same he'd realize he isn't all that poweful either.

Not that powerful? LT didn't do a thing. And Beyonder isn't any kid as Wrath tries to point him out to be. He was from beyond the multiverse. Even thanos with the IG was never a threat to the multiverse. The IG gives you power over only one universe; the Beyonder could wipe out all of existence. Beyonder stated himself that he could destroy all of existence; did you even read what I wrote Wrath? Even Galactus admitted Beyonder was from a realm beyond the multiverse, stop arguing that he's part of the universe or the multiverse since everything points to him being of foreign origins.

What Beyonder says is true. Folks, just read the damn Secret Wars series (I and II). Beyonder was ALL that and a bag of chips.

LT couldn't do squat against him. I mean, even with IG, LT passed judgement. He did no such thing in SW.

Cause he didn't have to. Like the remember the time that Wolverine didn't kill a little girl, this obviously proves he couldn't. You guys assume that because you take an umbrella it's going to rain. Please reflect on your circular logic and try again.

I have read Secret Wars, and the fact is, Beyonder WAS....NOT...A...THREAT...TO...THE...M...U...L....T....I....V....E...R...S...E...Ever. Period. He was barely a threat to one universe. Marvel even acknowledged this and made the Beyonders to be nothing more than a bunch of Watchers who joined the Hair Club For Men.

LT didn't pass judgment in the IG until everything was already turned upside down. Eternity himself was beaten by Thanos and LT STILL didn't bother to show up. Thus the argument that since Beyonder killed Death and LT didn't show up proves he was scared is absurd. LT knows his job and his place, and his job and place isn't to get involved in every little galactic squabble. He's not a cop.

Good show Wrath. Although I'd go just a bit farther. Killing death Is bar far the most idiotic Idea that I have ever heard of. Where does death go when it's dead? To the realm of Death, unto itself? You might be able to kill some personification of Death (that sounds ever so slightly less absurd.) But then Beyonder even contradicts himself, making himself mortal. How's he suppose to die if there's no death. Everything in the entire universe would have been immortal.

this threat is about the original beyonder now the one from secret wars 3 he defeated everyone he came into contact with with a whim and death and eternity are only the embodiment of what they rule there not the actual thing why do you think LT didnt try to stop Thanos when he was a threat to eternity cause LT thought it would be ok if Thanos became the NEW eternity, the same as death she can die just like eternity can die, he has been comatose, didnt mean that the universe went comatose eighter, The Beyonder was the most powerful character ever made by marvel the LT coudnt stop him and the beyonder DID threaten the universe by destroying it and if other posts he actually did distroy existance for a while so thus the LT didnt di his job and couldnt the LT is not as powerful as beyonder : / sorry guys.

Like the LT the beyonder could have existed on his own reality at the same time he was here and thus the LT didnt nessaceraly have jusidiction on him since he was from as even Galactus stated from BEYOND and killing death is not abserd, umm eternity being made comatoes? you dont think thats abserd? you people are rediculous its a comic the rules are applied however the write wishes them to be applied so? guess what? Living tribunal VS The Beyonder (original version)

winner is THE BEYONDER