I was gone for a day out at a Minnesota Vikings football game, so I wasnt even here to post in my own thread.... sorry, as a result this may be a longish post.
Originally posted by Nazgulinthedark
your first passage is pretty much just saying that Jesus wasn't a very pretty guy. It aslo says that he was disliked by many people. Well, if you read the Bible, you will come to ifnd, that yes, lots of people disliked Jesus! The Romans thought he was going to take over their empire since he said he was "King of the Jews". Ever read the stories of King Herad in the bible? People that worked in the temple didn't like him because he was trying to tell people different than what they taught. That passage in no way implaies that Jesus is black or white...or anything else.
I never said that it proved his color... it a quote that I came across that gave some idea of what he looked like: kinda ugly...
my first post just contained some of the few quotes describing anything about how he looked. The first quote isnt evidence for either side, but I still thought it should be included... it shows that Jesus wasnt a beautiful person, only that. I was trying to point out that there is very few comments about what Jesus looked like, and none that are really descriptive. Okay, so it doesnt say he's black, but it also asks the question "why do a lot of white people think he is white when it doesn't describe him in the Bible that way?" Thats why I went into geography...
Second passage..ok, that always confused me there. I had to read that very passage in church one time, and you know what? the theme of that mass was about the arcangels.
This is a passage generally used by some Black Theologians to say the Bible says Jesus (and God) are black... I agree, doesn't mean much. But there are people out there that interpret that line "hairs of his head like pure wool" to mean that his hair was wooly like black peoples hair is sometimes very wooly or course... I'll say it again, I dont think Jesus was black, like African black... but I thought I would start out the thread with some of the traditional arguments brought against a white jesus.
The term "Ancient of Days" is often related to the idea of God... meaning if he had wooly hair like black people that God is black, according to some Black Theoligians. (not exactly what I believe)
There is also a quote in Revelations that they like to use, saying how the skin of God resembled burnished bronze... bronze skinned?
"White People don't originally come from the Middle East."Neither do black people. Black people typicly come from Africa. Jesus was prabably tanish skin, like a Islamic person from Isreal is. Since Jesus lived in Isreal.
The paper that I linked to in the first post I made had some evidence showing that the people who were Jesus's family (Mary and Joseph) were from dark skinned ancestory, well this could mean that he did look like the picture Finti posted earlier... still not a white Jesus.
And again, because there are Jews there now with very light skin does not mean that all Jews that lived in Isreal have always been light. Abraham, ancestor of the Hebrews, was from Chaldea; the ancient Chaldeans were Black. There are also people who think that one of the Ten Tribes of Isreal are in Africa.
This doesnt prove Jesus=Black, but it does show that Jew = Not Black, is incorrect.
Originally posted by HockeyHorror
does it matter what jesus' color/race was???
Are you asking should anyone care? no, no one should care. Would people care if they found out that Jesus looked like a black man or maybe like "one of those a-rabs?" Definately... Black people have only been allowed on the same bus as white people for less than 50 years now, before the work of King they weren't acceptable as members of society, let alone objects of worship. The "Stars and Bars" (confederate flag) are still seen all over the South... do you think that they would worship a God who had colored skin?
What does that say about Christianity if some of their members would reject the son of God if he was dark or colored skin?
the traditional measure of "blackness" in the United States has been "one-drop" meaning if he had any black ancestry he would have been considered black. So while he may have been "darkish" or "really tan" he could have had partial black ancestry.
Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
Anyway I was told by a friend of mined,That Jesus and god are the same person?Is this true or false?Sorry about geting off topic!JM
The way I was told about God was that there is a holy trinity. God, the father was the creator... he rules up in heaven. Jesus, the son of God came down to save the sins of the world, died crucified and was buried and rose again... now back in heaven. The third part of the Holy Trinity is the Holy Spirit... through the Holy Spirit God does his work in the world, it was the holy spirit which caused the disciples to speak in tounges, cause miracles, etc...
The three parts are all one god, but these parts of God work differently... if that makes sense
Originally posted by eleveninches
Jesus must have been black. It says so in 'dogma'
I guess I dont remember that exact quote from the movie... its been a while since I saw it last, and thats not why I made this thread.
But did you know that he received 400,000 pieces of hate mail and death threats because of that movie? They got Disney to sell the rights off to someone else because of that all... That was a funny movie though, I should go rent it tonight.
If you are an open minded, free thinking, individual who accept people different than you... then the answer should be no.
Are all Christians comfortable with the idea of worshiping a Black Jesus or a Mid-Eastern Jesus? no, many would have problems with that.
And if it doesnt matter what color he is, why is he generally portrayed in Church stained glass as being white then? Why couldnt he be portrayed as being darker?
Originally posted by Turbo-Cajun
I was gone for a day out at a Minnesota Vikings football game, so I This is a passage generally used by some Black Theologians to say the Bible says Jesus (and God) are black... I agree, doesn't mean much. But there are people out there that interpret that line "hairs of his head like pure wool" to mean that his hair was wooly like black peoples hair is sometimes very wooly or course... I'll say it again, I dont think Jesus was black, like African black... but I thought I would start out the thread with some of the traditional arguments brought against a white jesus.Are you asking should anyone care? no, no one should care. Would people care if they found out that Jesus looked like a black man or maybe like "one of those a-rabs?" Definately... Black people have only been allowed on the same bus as white people for less than 50 years now, before the work of King they weren't acceptable as members of society, let alone objects of worship. The "Stars and Bars" (confederate flag) are still seen all over the South... do you think that they would worship a God who had colored skin?
that passage could also meant that Jesus had white hair...white as wool maybe.
now the rest of your post, i cant say anything against, but i just like to point out that in many, almost all, of the southern states, its illegal to parade the confederate flag publicly. there is hardly anything allowed down there having anything to do, even vaguely, with the civil war. example, the alabama license plates don't have "heart of dixie" on them anymore because the black people said it offened them because "heart of dixie" was meant as the "middle of the conferacy", geographicly, which alabama was. no the plates say "stars fell on alabama"...who knows what thats s'possed to mean..
Originally posted by finti
it aint hollywood, painted images of jesus as a blue eyed blond has been around for centuries if not a millennium. and I see gregory already pointed this out 😎jewish people come in all colors
i did see hollywood and company..company as people/artists besides hollywood
its true that jewish people come in all colors...i dont know if anyone noticed this but i wasnt being completely serious with that post, ala the bryant gumbel remark
Originally posted by Nazgulinthedark
now the rest of your post, i cant say anything against, but i just like to point out that in many, almost all, of the southern states, its illegal to parade the confederate flag publicly. there is hardly anything allowed down there having anything to do, even vaguely, with the civil war. example, the alabama license plates don't have "heart of dixie" on them anymore because the black people said it offened them because "heart of dixie" was meant as the "middle of the conferacy", geographicly, which alabama was. no the plates say "stars fell on alabama"...who knows what thats s'possed to mean.
Originally posted by Turbo-Cajun
The "Stars and Bars" (confederate flag) are still seen all over the South... do you think that they would worship a God who had colored skin?
I guess a more correct statement by me would have been:
The "Stars and Bars" (confederate flag) are still seen all over much of the United States... do you think that they would worship a God who had colored skin?
I believe that you still have the right to fly the confederate flag in the south... people still have them where I live, and I live in the north
I see them all the time of pick up trucks and on bandanas and stuff... I believe we still have freedom of speech and freedom of expression. It may no longer be legal to have those things on government owned property, but on private property is another thing.
There was a Nazi flag up in the window of a home near the Mall of America, and it was protected by freedom of speech... if thats legal, I'm sure the flag of the Confederacy is still legal.
i see him as black.. it dosn't make sense to me for Him being a white male with long soft straight blonde hair, paler skin and blue eyes as most of society potrays him as.. no, i see him as black, with long natty dreads and brown eyes.. it just makes sense to me.. as to Him being white man .. concidering the time he was around..