Storm vs. Human Torch

i think storm has got this one down, she is capable of creating tropical wheather and tons of tornadoes (as seen on x men the movie) spidey and other heros/villans have easily taken out torches flames. as for the super nova, torch would not go into that right in the beginning, he likes to draw out the power of his enimies, then uses it. Almost like a trump card he keeps handy, if worse comes to worse

i´m inclined to go with human torch, for all the reasons already stated. but storm is very good to.

She can just make a sunami come out of a lake and kill him

yea but by the time she summoned up a sunami she would be in a very uncomfortable cage of fire...torch's manipulation is practically instant and can be used more diversly. Storm is not going to win using her power, or powers...she could only take advantage of torch's character flaws or brash behavior...or maybe hand to hand fighting if she ever manages to take out his flame (unlikely). Torch rarely uses his powers to absorb and then redirect...he has plenty of power inside him already.

storm will just let it rain let it rain let it rain
storm win by a long shot

Storm is not nearly as powerful as people make her out to be, she's a poor man's Thor. Yeah she can make it rain, but I think Torch's nova flame is unaffected by that. And a tsunami? Where the hell is she going to conjure this up? Are they fighting on the beach? I wish they'd kill off her character already.

this is one though question now i would go with but I think umm....... err..... maybe umm..... johnny storm
either way this will be good

Discuss

just human torch and storm no weps

neither of them use weapons anyway

this one is close

ill hand it to storm because although torch is more deadly he wouldnt resort to killing unless neccisary and storm has more non lethal ways of winning

It's closer than Torch Vs Spidey, I'll give her that.

I don't think any amount of rain or wind is gonna be able to do anything to Torch though.

I think Torch would win more out of 10, if not all.

-AC

Storm already got burned up once...she has almost no defense against the Torch

He almost killed her........by accident.

If he wanted to, she'd be space dust.

-AC

The thing being...he wouldn't want to. And the fact that he doesn't kill removes the "insta-fry" option from the table - it's out of character.

So given that his most direct attack wouldn't be used, he'd resort to doing other flame tricks. But I think he'd come up short in the end. Storm has more potent non-lethal options at her disposal, or could just douse him. Johnny is notoriously easy to deflame. Wolverine did it with a fire extinguisher.

I'd point out the fact that Storm already beat him in Contest of Champions, but I already know how AC will respond to that, so I digress.

Contest of Champions was written by the guy who believed Rogue could beat Hulk and Gambit could beat Gladiator by hitting him with a pack of playing cards. Yes, he actually produced that. I don't think anything he's put out for many years has maintained a shred of balance, sensibility or reason.

Anyways, I just don't think any amount of rain or wind will beat him. Wolverine extinguishing him is ridiculous.

-AC

I don't necessarily agree with Rogue beating Hulk, but remember that Claremont CREATED Gladiator. That's HIS character. Gambit is his character too. If he says one of the characters he created can do something to another character he created and knock them out, well...

But I agreed with most of the battle results in COC. Storm is his favorite character and she was EASILY owned by Thor. Panther, after an epic battle, was edged by Captain America. I felt all the results were believable, so I have no problem with that issue or the portrayals of the characters involved.

But...that's off-topic.

Anyways, I just don't think any amount of rain or wind will beat him. Wolverine extinguishing him is ridiculous.

It would be if it were isolated. Off the top of my head:

Punisher did almost exactly the same thing to Torch, with a fire hose
Hulk extinguished him with a clap
AIM agents extinguished him with foam guns
Gets extinguished pretty much as soon as he hits any body of water.

BTW - that was Millar's Wolverine, not Claremont's, in case you were about to get angry at him again.

And even if Storm couldn't extinguish him with rain, she can create a vacuum that removes air from a localized area. Without air, Torch can't combust.

Out of respect, will save my replies to the former for another thread.

Non-isolated, I agree. However, the latter says he'd have to be isolated.

So....depends on environment.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Non-isolated, I agree. However, the latter says he'd have to be isolated.

Sorry - I missed the reference. What do you mean?

"And even if Storm couldn't extinguish him with rain, she can create a vacuum that removes air from a localized area. Without air, Torch can't combust."

^^^That bit. Sorry, bit of confusion there.

-AC

Ah, ok. Yeah, in a closed environment, Storm doesn't really have enough maneuverability to do what she needs to do before getting really badly hurt. But in an open environment, I give her the advantage.

Then again, a bolt of lightning should be just as lethal as a bolt of fire, which should make it a quickdraw even in a closed environment. Does Torch have improved durability in torch form? Could he survive a direct full blast of lightning?