Originally posted by kingcoot
I didn't say war is justified, War is because some dictator wasn't communicating the right way. I'm Just Saying that I'll believe my president, and not the dictator of Iraq. Is that so hard to believe? And if it is, why? It isn't bleating follower-ship. I actually see reasoning behind what Bush is trying to do to the terrorists. The world community disagrees, and so the democrats must disagree with republicans... I mean some democrats disagree with republicans. That is more realistic.
so because saddam was an evil dictator, bush is all that is rightouse?
is that your logic? has all that bush "good and evil" rhetoric actually gotten you brainwashed? do you actually believe that bush's shit smells like rose pedals?
It makes me think that the world bases the US action just as Hitler did and I find that unfounded and ridiculous. I find it as laughable as you laugh about me saying Bush isn't in it for the power. Because it is the truth. Do you think a US president has something to gain by being a target of Osama bin Laden? Countries that have had problems with the US should realize they will be looked at and they need to express full cooperation. If they don't, can the US afford to wait? Wait and get hit? And then Bush gets impeached for some reason created by the media. Right. I understand why you hate some democrats and all republicans. I did state, some democrats disagree, realistically not all democrats disagree. It is highly politicized for what happened to 3000+ US/other-country citizens. Doesn't that give you pause?
PVS... for all that I have typed... I said his shit smells as bad as mine..
Look, The reasons that Bush is using to take on terrorism is not because of their religion, race, or country, it is founded in a basic principle of life. If someone believes they should kill you, you have the right/freedom to stop that force from killing you. It is a global problem, but the globe appears from my perspective to endlessly call Bush Hitler #2. You see why I get a little confused about what you say.
for future reference, dont browbeat me with 9/11 to suit your arguement, THAT is ridiculous. you need to check my location and recognise that your accusations of not caring are quite insulting. and just so YOU know, bush TV ran ads in his campaign with pictures of ground zero, he paraded family members of 9/11 victims on his campaign trail, and cheney declared that voting for kerry would invoke another 9/11. disgusting, yet you turn a blind eye, as always.
and dont put words in my mouth, i never once said the bin laden benefits the president.
I don't intend to "brow" beat you, but I assure you, I have big eye brows.
As of 911, I don't think it is right to campaign insensitively, but what if the Bush/Chaney ads were ok'd by the people with them. Is that wrong? I know we all agree on the enemy, I'm just a little concerned about the speed the world moves at and the speed terrorists can move at. I'm trying to keep this in perspective of how everything the world does will effect the outcome considerably. I'm saying if I were Bush, I'd tell them exactly how much I need their support, for some reason Bush has his reason's for not saying it the first 4 years. If he says it in his 2nd 4 years, would you see some good in what he is doing?
Actually some of the people involved were upset with the images of (/11 that bush showed for his campaign. And you mention that the UN is not responsible for the security of US citizens. By that I guess you still feel that Iraq posed a threat to you, something that has been proven not to be true on a global scale.
From the president's view, obviously, Bush saw Saddam as a gathering threat. Look at his family's history with Saddam, they are seeing some pattern of mistrust and horrific violence that could be given to terrorists in the future. I think Bush is looking ahead 20years, and the global community doesn't think 20 years down the road is worth looking at for the US interests alone. To me, 20 years down the road means I could be the president. People my age will be making decisions for the country. It is hard to think like a republican, but you could call it something like "looking ahead" before you leap. I run my life according to the belief that I should know and understand something before I do it. What Bush is doing is not rushed when you look at how fast the terrorists can move in relation to the world. I have to keep saying that because that is undeniable. The terrorists have no trouble beating the speed of world decisions. They would have trouble making decisions against the US if the US acts un-historically fast. I don't doubt the moves Bush is making now are setting the next 20 years of events. Something worse than 911? I know something worse. It is called WWIII. Lets all just deal with the terrorists and not terrorize each other.
I'm saying with the probability of Saddam, anything is possible. Republicans don't take chances. You either have sex, or you don't. You are either a terrorist, or not a terrorist, that type of binary logic.
You are part of the solution, or you are part of the problem.
There is no justification for wars. It is purely miscommunication for the 3rd time and misunderstandings by both leaders. I personally won't blame Bush, because I know Saddam was a worse person personally. That is my line of thinking. Think what you may.
It isn't if you are a problem solver. It does solve problems. It makes business succeed.
Oh looky, there it goes again, I hit post reply instead of save changes.
It might seem irresponsible. When you make 40 of those binary decisions from 50 others and you come to the same conclusion, that is computer logic. It isn't taking into account any factor of race, religion or creed. If that is not good, that is exactly opposite of what Hitler was.
It is inferring this, evil exists in the world. The world doesn't believe in evil, except when somone acts to stop Saddam and Osama bin Laden in the same year.
It isn't computer logic, mind you. It is binary thinking. The thinking is done by humans, but they make distinct lines between the enemy. Exact lines between friend and foe are made when you think good or evil. Yeah people think that sounds religious, but it is founded in all religions regardless of faith.
If you still think Bush thinks that all religions are good, the religions with good intentions for the lives of human kind are good.
Bush separated from historical belief of Hitler that their is a supreme race. Bush sees Religion as part of him, not for everyone, and he respects the religion throughout the world. He specifically said that what Osama believes in is not the way the Koran is to be understood and he noted that he understands that most all Muslim people regard this way of bin Laden deranged and unfounded.
People near bin laden would see Bush as a Holy warrior, when Bush knows perfectly well that he is not doing it for God. He is ordered by the US Constitution to protect America and Americans from threats at home and abroad.
So in order to deal with an emotional, and passionate situation, in a world run by egos, and self-serving agendas, you think that taking a dispassionate and totally logical non-human decsion is the best way to go?
What about child labour in asia? It is good for american businesses in that cheap labour results in products that can be sold by american companies at greater profits. The american business man makes a good buck, and the american people get a good deal on shoes. Discounting any moral responsibility and just looking at numbers, this is a great idea no?