Originally posted by kingcoot
I'm sorry you think Bush loves only religious believers. If it is any comfort, I find the right to believe anything should be repected. If you think Bush thinks something, just ask him what he believes if you really want to know what he thinks. That is the most efficient way of reasoning. Talk to the person if it is at all possible.Saddam and Bush possible? No... not with their family history back in 1991.
I didn't say Bush loves only religious believers. However, it is a fact that Karl Rove, Bush's mastermind, wanted to make sure that the Christians in America absolutely knew that Bush was a "man of God", because he knew that if they had the Evangelical vote, they would probably win.
Rove made sure that many pastors would promote a vote for Bush from the pulpit. I think that is rather insidious.
cornponious
Originally posted by kingcoot
It is true, seperate church from state, but isn't it also true you shouldn't seperate someone from his own mind and beliefs. This is america. We grow corn in Iowa. 🙂
Yes, but you don't use your own personal religious beliefs to make sweeping national policies that only benefit people who think like you.
You make policies that benefit everyone, and allow the PEOPLE to make up their own minds as to whether it will benefit them.
And we grow marijuana, er, tobacco in Kentucky. 😄
cornponious
Bush believes in doing what he believes. You are asking him not to force his beliefs on other people, that I WOULD understand. But believing and making it known doesn't force belief. When people run to be president, they run to identify with the most people. Karl Rove did his job if that is the master mind. Right or wrong, it isn't wrong to do what you believe is right. From someone who sees it another way, I suggest to think objectively at the situation. Bush is a human, he has a belief, he does what he believes. Sounds like America. You get what you like, and what you don't like. That is America. It's also the facts of life. You take the good, you take the bad, and there you have the facts of life.
Originally posted by kingcoot
Bush sitting watching the kids after 911 happened.* What do you do? Tell the teacher I gotta go? Do what? Duck and cover? The damage was done. Seriously. Criticizing a guy after this happens is what really confuses me.
I can criticize him becuase, like it or not, he's my president, and he didn't do what he should have done. Yes, by God, when Andrew Card came in and told him that the second tower had been hit and America was under attack, he should have immediately gotten up and said something like, "Sorry kids, but there's a national crisis and I have to go to work". I mean, he's the President for crying out loud!
But what really gets me is this: This photo op was on the president's calendar for weeks, possibly months. Anybody could have found out that the president was going to be there. There were planes flying all over the place, flying into New York, the Pentagon, possibly the White House. There could just as easily been one bound for that school, couldn't there?
So why didn't the secret service rush in and grab the president, the leader of the free world, and get him to safety? Wasn't it possible that he could have been in danger?
Nobody did a thing, though. Not one thing.
But boy oh boy, they sure got the VICE PRESIDENT to safety. In fact, when the secret service ran in to grab Cheney, they grabbed him so hard and fast that they lifted him off the floor. He was immediately taken under ground, and then put on a plane and flown around the country all day (even stopping in nearby Lexington to swap planes).
This tells me one thing. Cheney is the one that is really in control, not Bush.
corn
Originally posted by kingcoot
Bush believes in doing what he believes. You are asking him not to force his beliefs on other people, that I WOULD understand. But believing and making it known doesn't force belief. When people run to be president, they run to identify with the most people. Karl Rove did his job if that is the master mind. Right or wrong, it isn't wrong to do what you believe is right. From someone who sees it another way, I suggest to think objectively at the situation. Bush is a human, he has a belief, he does what he believes. Sounds like America. You get what you like, and what you don't like. That is America. It's also the facts of life. You take the good, you take the bad, and there you have the facts of life.
Yes, but don't you see that when you make NATIONAL POLICY based on your own personal beliefs, you are in effect forcing YOUR beliefs on the entire nation.
corn
Interesting. Proving part of my theory. Bush really does like being underestimated. I won't be theorizing any further.
When you are president, you are elected by party. You work for the majority. If you work for the minority voters too, you get alot of everything done and your party will find ways to get you replaced.
so kingkoot, you are saying that whatever michael moore points out is a lie?
so, if moore points to the sky and says it's blue, then thats a lie and nobody can repeat it, or they are just regurgitating what moore said? please.
and corn, yes. bush is the puppet commander in chief. he may as well have just sat in that classroom for the next three years, because thats all he's good for. all heil emporer cheney *nazi salute*
I really can't believe the hype. Unbelievable how warped movies can make people. When you watch movies. Think philosophically and not literally at what is happening. Get the meaning out of the movie, and not the action. If you gain anything, learn about how communication is going to work with how you treat people. Being generally mad and upset will make the world worse. There is no doubt in my mind that negativity breeds the problems in the world. Lies bring it further down that path until you get to the point you start to hate whoever lied or was negative to you for a laugh or for serious. Just guess where I've seen this. That's right. Take the meaning and live by it and see for yourself. It isn't bullshit.
You I address this to coot) mention that Bush has a great ability to judge people. If that is the Case then you must admit that Rice and Powell are knowledgable and responsible people. And if you believe that , then please explain to me why in Feb 2001 Powell stated that Iraq poses "Absolutley no threat" to america and is unable to even conductconvetional warfare on his neighbours (which was proved during the invasion). And also Rice's statement in July 2001 that Sadam was not a threat and is contained.
Bush also stated he had made mistakes in some of his appointments... but not the war in Iraq.
PVS. I've lived it. Fallacy? I think you just lied. I know you just lied, because I know what my experiences are, what is reality, what is film. There is no question. I live with guns, I haven't used them at all in 24 years on a human being and I went through the most crap in school. Did you here about shootings in Iowa? Thats right. I held off. Thanks for understanding me, but thinking I lied about what I experience.
Originally posted by kingcoot
Bush also stated he had made mistakes in some of his appointments... but not the war in Iraq.PVS. I've lived it. Fallacy? I think you just lied.
- Straw man tactics. Making a caricature out of a position in order to make it easier to attack. This is when people Assume they know someone's point of view, and begin arguing a constructed view about their opponent, rather than just debate the words of their opponent.
thats a fallacy you are very guilty of
here are some more:
- Argument from Authority. This is the fallacy that states: If an authority says something, it is obviously true, and it does not need to be evaluated on it's merits.
- Observational selection. Ignoring the bad in a situation, and only focusing on the good.
- Suppressed evidence, and half-truths. This is pretty self-explanatory. Don't post half-truths and propaganda, and expect us to believe it.
The only lie I know of is how we understand each other and what point we are trying to make. I'm thinking on behalf of me, you are thinking on behalf of you, and you are assuming my train of thought is nearly what your train of thought is. There is no way you understand at the direction I'm making a point from. As the other way, I won't be understanding you, I also won't be accusing you of lying, but about what I said on the meaning alone, not connected with politics or anything, I've lived that experience many times and I've changed people who were angry at me to realize where I stood. You have to know me and completely understand the whole picture and then I do make perfect sense.
So when I "spew" something like You don't truely know me. You don't.
That is fact. You can think you know me. You can't prove it, the only one who knows for real is myself. I know me. It isn't rambling. It is fact.