Hey, maybe this whole reverting of the gay society is a good thing. I mean we can obviouslylearn from past mistakes. Instead of burning a community because of their sexuality or race, like where hitler went wrong. We can just experiment on them in controlled settings. You really shouldnt burn a specimen untill they have been used a few times. this could even start a war, that could turn into a world war. Nukes and bio weapons will be launched destroying all of humanity, and it will be because everyone was just being gay.
Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
Sorry that she does not feel that way bf.I think she should close this thread.Thanks to you and your friends you are the ones to blame for having this thread close.
Too bad.It was a nice thread too.JM If you were only doing your job as a mod this would not had happen.Too bad you were not doing your job.Say goodbye to this thread.JM
HA! Your threats mean nothing without the power to back them up.
Any Mod that is worth their salt would see that this thread should not be closed due to your fears and misconceptions about said topic.
I've been on message boards for many years now, and If I were a mod here I would not close a thread, simply because a member has a problem with a few members of the Board.
I would post a message to cut the BS, plain and simple.
Case closed.
EDIT: So what about my question? Can someone answer it?
"Why is it ok for two girls making out, and that is considered HOT. While on the other hand if two guys do the same thing it’s considered NASTY and OFFENSIVE?"
Originally posted by ragesRemorse
Hey, maybe this whole reverting of the gay society is a good thing. I mean we can obviouslylearn from past mistakes. Instead of burning a community because of their sexuality or race, like where hitler went wrong. We can just experiment on them in controlled settings. You really shouldnt burn a specimen untill they have been used a few times. this could even start a war, that could turn into a world war. Nukes and bio weapons will be launched destroying all of humanity, and it will be because everyone was just being gay.
What the shit are you talking about?
Originally posted by BackFire
If anyone is a weak debater here, it's her. She's been attempting to formulate valid debates without any form of sound reasoning, logic, or evidence to back up anything she says. This is the biggest fallacy associated with arguing and debating. So again, if you are going to attempt to question anyones arguing tactics, question hers. All the nonsense in the last part of this thread has been just that, nonsense, and was not supposed to be taken as any sort of valid argument.
Actually no.
Just because she has no point, or her point is not valid to you, it doesnt make her a weak debater!
HA!
Read some philosophy, any lawyer, philosopher, historian...anyone (with much schooling) will tell you that being a good debater doenst consist of having a point, but how well you come across with what you have to say, even if its bullshit.
Ever heard of lawyers?? Its what they do!
Second of all, insulting her is just pathetic - she has no point and her point is not valid, yet YOU still cant think of a way to reply to her without insulting her.
Whos the weak debater here?
"Just because she has no point, or her point is not valid to yo, it doesnt make her a weak debater!"
You're right, the fact that she can't back up anything of what she says with any form of logic, reasoning, or evidence makes her a weak debater. I never said she didn't have a point, I'm well aware that it's possible to contruct a formally valid argument without any sort of point, but the argument will simply be formaly valid without being sound. In the end, it will be seen as a weak argument, regaurdless.
"Ever heard of lawyers?? Its what they do!"
Lawyers often commit many fallacies during their arguments, they are not great debaters by any means. They twist the truth as much as possible in order to win their argument. And of course, as anyone who knows anything about arguments will tell you, an argument isn't something that you should look to "win". It is a search for a common and acceptable truth. Lawyers do whatever it takes to win, even if it means, lying, twisting facts, or asking one sided yes or no questions. That is not good arguing. It may be formally valid, but it is not logically sound.
"Second of all, insulting her is just pathetic - she has no point and her point is not valid, yet YOU still cant think of a way to reply to her without insulting her."
Who says I or anyone else can't think of a way to reply to her without insulting her? Go through this thread as a whole, you will find many people have replied to her without insulting her. Again, the last 2 pages is no form of argument or debate, it's just a bunch of shit. No one was attempting to construct valid arguments, just screwing around.
"Whos the weak debater here?"
She is. She can't even win a debate when no one is debating against her.
I am right here.And likle I said I think it is better if this thread is close.BF you don't know anything about me.So far it is all lies and judgement.
There is no truth on what you are saying.So why are you brothering?Please for the love of god close this thread.JM Also in the future you may want to pratise on being a mod.
Just alittle advice.JM
Where have I judged you? All I've judged is your argumentative skill, which is blatantly weak. I never said you were a bad person or stupid or anything.
It's ironic that you condemn me for having no truth to what I'm saying, but on the other hand, you never do either. You talk out of your ass and can never provide proof of evidence to back up anything you say. And when someone comes along with proof AGAINST what you're saying you simply ignore it and act as if it was never existed. Then go on saying "well no one has proven anything" when in fact they have, but you're argument is so weak that the only way to coninue arguing is to simply disregaurd said truth and hope other people will do the same so it won't make your argument look as dead as it realy is.
I'm not closing this thread. If another mod wants to, they can be my guest. I'm not going to close the thread just because you're upset that people have pointed out the fact that you're a poor debater.
Originally posted by -=Urot=-
"Why is it ok for two girls making out, and that is considered HOT. While on the other hand if two guys do the same thing it’s considered NASTY and OFFENSIVE?"
It's just the sexual double standard that is in place. Men can have sex with 10 women in a week, and be congratulated, whereas if a woman sleeps iwth 10 men in a week, she's condemned as a whore. it's ok for men to date women half their age, but not as good for a woman to do so....etc.
Bah!! Stop it everyone, its just totally oftopic and...stupid!
Anyway...
Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
It's just the sexual double standard that is in place. Men can have sex with 10 women in a week, and be congratulated, whereas if a woman sleeps iwth 10 men in a week, she's condemned as a whore. it's ok for men to date women half their age, but not as good for a woman to do so....etc.
I agree with that, but its the society we live in. Sad quite frankly.
It has nothering to do with me being a poor debater.I am a good one compare to you.All you do is judge and insult people.That does not sound like a good debater to me.
Saying I am not a good debater is judging!So don't say you are not judging me when you are.I want this thread close because it is not fun anymore.
Everyone is insulting me for no reason and is off topic.There fore this thread should be close.Ever since I join this site I been insulted and judged by my age.
That is not a very nice welcome you know.I may be a newble but that is no reason to treat me unfairlly like this.If you want to keep newbies out of this site you are on the right track.
So far all you are showing is that this site is not the friendiest one around and it should be.JM Please close this thread I beg of you.JM
Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
It has nothering to do with me being a poor debater.I am a good one compare to you.All you do is judge and insult people.That does not sound like a good debater to me.
Saying I am not a good debater is judging!So don't say you are not judging me when you are.I want this thread close because it is not fun anymore.
All I can say is your reasoning is flawed.
May I ask you how old you are, because your responses are very young minded indeed.
EDIT: (I just checked your profile and your 14 years old.)
I think you really need to fully understand what a debater is and does in any given conversation.
Becoming a good debater is for the most part a learned skill. Having this thread closed because you can't hack it is just plain wrong.
Get over yourself and wise up. We are not attacking you; we are trying to have a dialog, which at the present moment you are unable to carry out.
There is a difference between an attack and an expressed opinion.
And as far as this thread not being fun anymore, well all I can say is Tough. Life is not fun, what are you going to do, run from that too.
Hell you can't ask life to stop being tough because it’s not fun anymore. You simply can’t ask God to close out any give situation because it too hard or not enjoyable. If this thread is really bothering you, just leave and don’t respond anymore, because if you haven’t noticed yet the thread would continue to stay on topic if not for your frequent distraction and deviations from the main topic.
So drop it already and move on will ya?
Sure I will move on.But yes you were attecking me.I know you all know each other and that is fine.But if a newible comes you should inleast make her feel welcome.
So far no warm welcome has been made by either of you.This does not show good rates for this site.IN the near future you guys should amept to be nicer to new people.
As to have people want to join this site.And this is not about me.For one thing you should get over yourself.All acting like a bunch of jerks.Ok (takes a deep breath)now we can move on!JM
And now who was the one saying that we should stop insulting and judging? Jackie, your argument was flawed from the very beginning. When you make a positive statement, it is up to you to find evidence to back up your position. If you knew anything about how to actually debate you would know this. And I hate to judge people because of their age, but you're only 14, sweetie, and it's painfully obvious by your posts that you're so young.
Now, back on topic...there is nothing wrong with being homosexual. Maybe it's the people who cannot accept the fact that there are gays out in the world that need to reform, not the gay people themselves.
JM Give me an example of me attacking you?
Now as far as this site is concerned, it is one on the better site on the net for newbies.
Other places that I have been to would eat you alive.
This place is very tame compared to them.
Yes for the most part we all know each other but that has nothing to do with why you think we are attacking you.
If you took the time to lower your defenses you would see that we are not bad guys and gals at all.
It just takes time to get to know new people and surroundings.
So after a few more months I’m sure you will fit in just fine. 😉
Originally posted by BackFire
"Just because she has no point, or her point is not valid to yo, it doesnt make her a weak debater!"You're right, the fact that she can't back up anything of what she says with any form of logic, reasoning, or evidence makes her a weak debater. I never said she didn't have a point, I'm well aware that it's possible to contruct a formally valid argument without any sort of point, but the argument will simply be formaly valid without being sound. In the end, it will be seen as a weak argument, regaurdless.
"Ever heard of lawyers?? Its what they do!"
Lawyers often commit many fallacies during their arguments, they are not great debaters by any means. They twist the truth as much as possible in order to win their argument. And of course, as anyone who knows anything about arguments will tell you, an argument isn't something that you should look to "win". It is a search for a common and acceptable truth. Lawyers do whatever it takes to win, even if it means, lying, twisting facts, or asking one sided yes or no questions. That is not good arguing. It may be formally valid, but it is not logically sound.
"Second of all, insulting her is just pathetic - she has no point and her point is not valid, yet YOU still cant think of a way to reply to her without insulting her."
Who says I or anyone else can't think of a way to reply to her without insulting her? Go through this thread as a whole, you will find many people have replied to her without insulting her. Again, the last 2 pages is no form of argument or debate, it's just a bunch of shit. No one was attempting to construct valid arguments, just screwing around.
"Whos the weak debater here?"
She is. She can't even win a debate when no one is debating against her.
yeah i know im late but i dont care! 😛 good job BF!
and BF is entirely correct.
Appeal to ignorance- The claim that whatever has not been proved false must be true, and vice versa.
and its not like she stated it ONCE, and left it at that. she says it over and over and over...as if her sole purpose here is to have any discussions about homosexuality end with "gay is evil" or end with everyone getting annoyed to the point where the thread is closed, as she so wantingly requests. that is promoting ignorance, and she's doing it ALOT on these threads.
JM, unless you have something ELSE to add, maybe you should follow your own advice and abandon this thread, unless this is just a plea for attention.
Lil B, you suggest that both sides come up with proof, but there is no proof. there is no proof at all as to whether gays choose to be gay or if they are just born that way. if proof is a requirement for this topic, then im afraid all threads of this nature are rendered invalid.
and perhaps the reason that many are offended by JMs endlessly repeated falicies is that many of us have friends and/or family who are gay. perhaps some who post here are gay. it would be the same if a thread was made on an ad campaign to 'reform' black people so that they realise the error of their ways and turn their skin white. its supporting an attack on other people.
regardless of whether or not someone is born gay or becomes gay as a result of social engineering, it is a (unfortunately not proven) reality that nobody chooses to be gay over being straight. and no, attention whores making out on 'girls gone wild' seeking the approval of their male peers does not work against my arguement in that this exhibits bisexual tendencies, and is not gay.
the 'gay' we reffer to (i believe) are those who are straight-up gay.
those women who cant fathom the idea of being with a man,
and those men who shudder at the thought of being with a woman.
they are gay because...they are gay. what right does anyone have to tag them as unnatural and unholy based only on junk science? ...in a similar way in which hitler deemed jews to be genetically inferior based on similar baseless junk science?