Master Chief vs Samus Aran

Started by Dizzle144 pages

(this has been gone over, we've established that Samus's arsenal beats the crap out of MC's. The opposition is attempting to prove MC has an edge in other departments, like strategy or physical condition, all of which have been basically nullified)

hardly dude you guys still can't prove that her chozo blood actually gives her any sort of physical attributes at all.

all you guys have displayed is some e-manga and a few websites that talk about D&D rules and another forum (sorry if you actually thought i was going to trawl through 70 pages think again) and thats got nothing to do with her abilities so i would say that this chozo blood nonsense is the only thing that has been nullified so far

i have actaully explained why he could probably kill her in a few punches by explaining to you his physical makeup as well as the type of suit he wears and also giving you demonstrations as to where he has done this (the game as well as in books) whereas all you guys can keep on saying is "she has chozo blood", "she can morph into a ball" "she has an arm cannon"

Unfortuantely it doesn't seem that Nintendo has given a definitive description on her exact abilities with chozo blood therefore all these statements about chozo blood allowing her to wear the suit and making her jump higher in the air and being super strong all are null and void as this is pure speculation from yourselves and not actual fact. (also if you read through the first comic you see a man named houston wear a "similar" suit this makes me believe that the "type" of armor she wears is not uncommon in her galaxy (though her armor is unique) from seeing that maybe samus doesn't need any special abilities(chozo blood) to wear that suit at all like some have claimed

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
hardly dude you guys still can't prove that her chozo blood actually gives her any sort of physical attributes at all.

all you guys have displayed is some e-manga and a few websites that talk about D&D rules and another forum (sorry if you actually thought i was going to trawl through 70 pages think again) and thats got nothing to do with her abilities so i would say that this chozo blood nonsense is the only thing that has been nullified so far

i have actaully explained why he could probably kill her in a few punches by explaining to you his physical makeup as well as the type of suit he wears and also giving you demonstrations as to where he has done this (the game as well as in books) whereas all you guys can keep on saying is "she has chozo blood", "she can morph into a ball" "she has an arm cannon"

Unfortuantely it doesn't seem that Nintendo has given a definitive description on her exact abilities with chozo blood therefore all these statements about chozo blood allowing her to wear the suit and making her jump higher in the air and being super strong all are null and void as this is pure speculation from yourselves and not actual fact. (also if you read through the first comic you see a man named houston wear a "similar" suit this makes me believe that the "type" of armor she wears is not uncommon in her galaxy (though her armor is unique) from seeing that maybe samus doesn't need any special abilities(chozo blood) to wear that suit at all like some have claimed


i said DNA and she needs chozo DNA to use the suit and the chozo DNA gives her speed and strength

i'll find proof then

SAMUS ARAN 🤘

so now this chozo blood nonsense is out of the picture for now as shadow has previously made statements which don't retain any sembalance of fact

as he has stated that samus can do all these things with chozo blood yet in his last post he states he needs to "look for proof" about the statements he has made

which indicates that he has unfortunately just come up with this stuff this then means that his comments until he can come up with facts are deemed as speculation and should now be "null and void".

I mean seriously can anyone provide a information pertaining to her Chozo blood and the abilities it gives her because as i said in a previous post if you samus fans cannot then this chozo blood ability nonsense should now be deemed null and void and should not be included in this debate as any statements pertaining to what she can do with chozo blood would just be speculation.

then how come when you enter the code 'justin bailey' on regular metroid (nes) she appears with no armor (none whatsoever, just a swim suit looking clothing) and just her arm cannon.. but can still jump just as high? 😛 surely it must be magic

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
so now this chozo blood nonsense is out of the picture for now as shadow has previously made statements which don't retain any sembalance of fact

as he has stated that samus can do all these things with chozo blood yet in his last post he states he needs to "look for proof" about the statements he has made

which indicates that he has unfortunately just come up with this stuff this then means that his comments until he can come up with facts are deemed as speculation and should now be "null and void".

I mean seriously can anyone provide a information pertaining to her Chozo blood and the abilities it gives her because as i said in a previous post if you samus fans cannot then this chozo blood ability nonsense should now be deemed null and void and should not be included in this debate as any statements pertaining to what she can do with chozo blood would just be speculation.


i didn't make up any thing i'm just trying to back up what i say seeing as no one belives me

look look i am just weighing up things as i see it and from what i have seen her so called Chozo abilties just seem to exist within this thread.

Those links satsujin and Dizzle obtained are good but i haven't seen anywhere on the links where it (officially not D&D crap) desribes her abilities with chozo blood so until someone can provide a (official) link describing in detail her chozo abilties then i am sorry but we must and i am sure everyone must see reason here that we must discard all statements pertaining to her chozo blood abilities as there isn't any actual concrete proof that she has "ANY" abilites with Chozo blood let alone the abilities shadow and others have claimed.

Name: Samus Aran

Sex: Female

Height: 6 ft. 3 inches

Weight: 193 lbs - Statistics of height and weight reflect the usage of subjects power suit.

DOB: Unknown - Estimated age of 24 Earth years.

Current Whereabouts: Unknown

Last Known Whereabouts: B.S.L. Space Station

Species: Human w/Cybernetic Enhancements

Power Suit Specifics: Power suit origional design created and engineered by extinct species Chozo. Suit possesses ability to be upgraded for better performance.

Organic material in suit integrates with the wearer through cybernetic implants and operates from an unknown power source.
Power suit contains onboard computer with scanning, targeting, voice control, and information storage capabilities. Any other information unknown.

The Huntress

Samus is the sole survivor of a Space Pirate raid on an Earth colony of a planet called K-2L. Her biological family was killed during this raid when she was a young girl. It is rumored that her father did work for the Galactic Federation, but any information on her mother remains a mystery.

After the Space Pirate raid, Samus was found by an ancient and highly advanced race of bird-like creatures called the Chozo. They "adopted" her and taught her everything she knows about survival. Though the Chozo were a peace loving species, and Samus's species seemed to love a good fight, somehow the Chozo were able to educate the young girl in the art of war, and in the end, they learned much from each other.

They infused Samus with their blood, giving her a very high metabolism, and they also gave her cybernetic enhancements, as well as the suit she wears during battle which gives her superhuman like abilities. Though her suit is the biggest key to her success, without it she is still far from weak.
i found this at http://www.metroidgalaxy.com/Samus.php

Originally posted by shadow12
Name: Samus Aran

Sex: Female

Height: 6 ft. 3 inches

Weight: 193 lbs - Statistics of height and weight reflect the usage of subjects power suit.

DOB: Unknown - Estimated age of 24 Earth years.

Current Whereabouts: Unknown

Last Known Whereabouts: B.S.L. Space Station

Species: Human w/Cybernetic Enhancements

Power Suit Specifics: Power suit origional design created and engineered by extinct species Chozo. Suit possesses ability to be upgraded for better performance.

Organic material in suit integrates with the wearer through cybernetic implants and operates from an unknown power source.
Power suit contains onboard computer with scanning, targeting, voice control, and information storage capabilities. Any other information unknown.

The Huntress

Samus is the sole survivor of a Space Pirate raid on an Earth colony of a planet called K-2L. Her biological family was killed during this raid when she was a young girl. It is rumored that her father did work for the Galactic Federation, but any information on her mother remains a mystery.

After the Space Pirate raid, Samus was found by an ancient and highly advanced race of bird-like creatures called the Chozo. They "adopted" her and taught her everything she knows about survival. Though the Chozo were a peace loving species, and Samus's species seemed to love a good fight, somehow the Chozo were able to educate the young girl in the art of war, and in the end, they learned much from each other.

They infused Samus with their blood, giving her a very high metabolism, and they also gave her cybernetic enhancements, as well as the suit she wears during battle which gives her superhuman like abilities. Though her suit is the biggest key to her success, without it she is still far from weak.

"They infused Samus with their blood, giving her a very high metabolism, and they also gave her cybernetic enhancements, as well as the suit she wears during battle which gives her superhuman like abilities. Though her suit is the biggest key to her success, without it she is still far from weak."

Im sorry but can u tell me where to locate within this waffle anything pertaining to the chozo blood actually giving her superhuman strength and jumping abilities? Nope. Cos it is non existent. According to this the Chozo blood enables her to cope with the enhanced abilities of the suit and thats it. So i retract my statement saying that i doubt anyone needs abilities to wear the suit. It is the suit which gives her enhanced physical abilities. Therefore once again all your claims about this chozo blood actually making Samus superhumanly powerful are shown by your own "evidence" to be FALSE. Thank you for clarifying this Chozo blood nonsense.

Just to further support my argument. If its her Chozo blood that gives her these jumping abilities why then in Metroid Prime do u require a suit upgrade to perform a double jump?

Once again your argument has been seen and smashed.

http://www.japan-101.com/video_games/samus_aran.htm

http://samus-aran.biography.ms/

http://www.public-domain-content.com/Video_games/Nintendo/Samus_Aran.shtml

The double jump is a separate ability. Her normal jump is still well over her own height.

And according to Super Metroid, her Chozo blood enhances her strength and agility.

"http://www.japan-101.com/video_games/samus_aran.htm

http://samus-aran.biography.ms/

http://www.public-domain-content.co...amus_Aran.shtml"

Satsy do u really want me to reply to this? Basically these links take me to 3 different sites spouting the same unhelpful waffle in 3 different ways. None of these links have added anything to your case.

"Once again seen and smashed"

Still stands.

"The double jump is a separate ability. Her normal jump is still well over her own height.

And according to Super Metroid, her Chozo blood enhances her strength and agility."

GK so im just supposed to take your word for it? Naaahhh.

Dont get me wrong i really want to believe u guys honestly i do. But ive constantly asked you to backup your claims over the past month and over the past month u guys have come up short. So i will say once again.

SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!

Gk after Shadows post please dont tell u still believe Samus has enhanced jumping and strength capabilities. It was made quite apparent from his 'evidence' that the Chozo blood enhances her metabolism enabling her to cope with the suit and nothing else. As for Super Metroid stating otherwise. Wheres the proof? Also in Metroid Prime the only reason Samus can jump well above her height prior to the upgrade is because she is in the suit anyway. Which Shadows research stated gives her enhanced abilities as is or should be common knowledge if you are debating about Samus in the first place.

its not unhelpful.. it shows a consistancy in information.. if 3 seperate sites that dont even link to eachother have the same information.. they must have gotten it from a reliable source

And aside from that, I still don't see how any of this helps Master Chief, as the fight includes suits... And Samus can jump well over her height, and with that relative strength throughout her body (there's no rockets or anything, thats all leg power) she should have plenty to at least match Chiefy. And when someone says that something is in a game, I'd believe em, as I seriously doubt you have ever touched any incarnation of Metroid. Cuz I don't think you've put up any links or anything outside of saying what was in the books or the games. Now all of you're arguments are null and void, as you could be making all of this up. By your logic all of your arguments are faulty, and MC is a random guy in a suit. (I know you're not making it up, but just cuz it's something you don't know about Metroid doesn't mean it's not true)

Please don't ask for directs source quotes without providing your own.

Oh, and as a book to video game comparison, here is a kind of parallel.

Drizzt Do'Urden is a dark elf in the Forgotten Realms world created by RA Salvatore. In the books by Salvatore, Drizzt is nigh-on unbeatable, running easily through a city packed with dark elves and cutting paths of destruction through upwards of 100 giants with only help from his barbarian friend. Then, in Baldur's Gate (computer game) you meet Drizzt and have a chance to fight him with your party. He's nothing special, he gets hit real easy and everything-10 good hits or so killed him. (Drizzt's best feature is probly that he is agile- Almost never gets hit) Games and books, though authentic and all, are not always exactly parallel in power levels. Which is why I'm gonna vote to disregard book feats.

omg dizzy i can't believe you have said that

i thought out of all of you would be the one to come with the most solid argument.

I have given you countless of sources of information

i spoke about scenearios in the game where he shows the abilities in the game i have referred to in books

and given you descriptions of what he can do there

Now do you seriously expect me to screen-dump shots of me hitting someone or a grunt on the back of the head for your satisfaction

the difference between what i am saying and what you lot are saying i thought has been made quite apparent through these past weeks but i guess it has not

i have given my view and named my sources from day one

whereas you and a few other have given their view and can't really back up your claims with any sources

you and a few others on the other hand have made statements can't back it up and can't provide even a right "direction" of where to look for a realiable source as we have seen with the links you have posted just aimless drivel talking about D&D or three sites saying the exact same thing

dude why would i need to put up links i am not the one who can't even provide any evidence of his claims

you have had people come on this very forum who have read the book and played the game tell you what i have been saying in accordance to his abilities has been more or less accurate and has gone on to say that these statements that i am making are more or less official to the world of halo.

so why would i then need to go and provide links to sites when you can easily just pick up the book or go through the situations i described in the game and see for yourself.

and let me explian to you why this revelation that shadow has unvieled to us makes a difference............. ok

as i said before i think in a previous post Samus is just a Normal human in a Superpowered suit

Whereas MC is a Super Human in a Superpowered suit you understand

and with those statements from shadow wouldn't you agree that MC is probably stronger, faster, more agile and durable as he is a super human in a super powered suit while Samus is just a "human" in a super powered suit

no i have played BG and i am sorry but the way you were describing Drizzt in BG as if killing him was a walk in the park and i am sorry but it wasn't that easy and i would say probably harder than killing sarevok himself and he was the final boss.

if you read my first post i even admitted that samus had him on the technological side buddy but i also went onto say that he makes up for it physically and "possibly" mentally. So i am not trying to say Samus would lose outright she would put up one hell of a fight

and then she would lose.

Amazingly, GalacticStorm, we have cited sources throughout this very long thread, which you are completely at your own leisure to peruse, free of charge or mockery.

Samus is not a "normal" human, as you are so quick to assert. The Metroid Prime manual says of Samus, "Trained as a warrior and infused with Chozo blood..." The Super Metroid Manual also references her Chozo blood, which I will put here when I find my SM stuff. The Super Metroid Player's Guide (Nintendo Power edition, which I will also quote here when I find it) tells that Samus' Chozo Blood enhances her strength and agility, and allows her to use Choco technology (those things gathered from the Chozo statues throughout most of the games)

And no, the enhanced strength and agility is not just the suit, because at the end of Zero Mission after the crashlanding, suitless Samus is able to jump straight up for a good six meters.