bush stole the election.
common sense states that.
whether or not the evidence will surface is another story.
its a scary turn for democracy when your vote may or may not count
depending on which party you support and which machines you vote on.
example: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041105/D865R1DO0.html
wow, all errors just HAPPEN to favor bush
Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
Come on guys/Do you think it is really that bad?If you think so.Then that is kind of pitful because inleast we have a president while some countrys don't and are a mess.
We should consider ourself grateful to be able to vote for our president.We are one lucky country!JM
No, we're worse off--we have both a mess AND a president telling us the mess is good. Not to mention all the dumb****s who are believing him. 👆
I read an article in the newspaper about some guy who was totally uninformed on the election... He knew nothing about either candidate except for that Bush, he thought, would be more suitable to defend the country and win the war in Iraq. After he heard about Bush's economic plan, he wanted to vote for Kerry. What an idiot. 🙄
People should have to take some kind of test at the polls to show they know their shit and aren't total dumbasses like that guy. 'Course then somebody'd probably cheat and refuse to let one minority or another in...
Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
Bush won fair and squre!Why can't you guys accept this?JM
repetition sucks, why cant you accept this?
repetition sucks, why cant you accept this?
repetition sucks, why cant you accept this?
repetition sucks, why cant you accept this?
repetition sucks, why cant you accept this?
repetition sucks, why cant you accept this?
repetition sucks, why cant you accept this?
I have the same views on the wars like any other older people.Judging the age of someone is not right.We think the same as you guys!I can't say I argee with the war alltogether but I can say is that Bush has mortals and that is what got him to be president in the first place.
If we have a mortal man that loves his country and is willing to get rid of some stuff that been going on for a long time then to me he is doing his job!JM
You do not think the same as "us" guys because maturity, education and experience levels are vastly different. I am not saying that if you are young your opinion doesn't matter. What I am asking is the reasons why you support bush. I want to know what a 14 year old feels is important and as to what level you are informed.
Bush has mortals and that is what got him to be president in the first place. If we have a mortal man that loves his country and is willing to get rid of some stuff that been going on for a long time then to me he is doing his job!
What do you believe are Bush's morals and do you know the history of the middle east and the political "stuff" that has happened to put us all in this situation? Having an opinion is great, but everyine has one. It is more important to have an informed opinion though.
Here's an interesting letter from Peter Coyote:
Letter from Peter Coyote on Black Box Voting
Nov 09 2004 22:49:01
There is a bumper sticker I saw months ago that sums up the current state of
affairs in our country regarding what is the biggest news story you'll never
see on the General Media reported. It said "IF YOUR NOT OUTRAGED, YOUR NOT
PAYING ATTENTION".
On Friday I received a phone call from a good friend who works at CBS--I've
known her for years and she is a Producer for some of the news programs, one
well known one in particular. She tipped me off that the news media is in a
"lock-down" and that there is to be no TV coverage of the real problems
with voting on Nov. 2nd. She said similar "lock-down orders" had come down
last year after the invasion of Iraq, but this is far worse--far scarier. She
said the majority of their journalists at CBS and elsewhere in NYC are pretty
horrified--every one is worried about their jobs and retribution Dan Rather
style or worse. My source said they've also been forbidden to talk about it
even on their own time but she was pissed and her journalistic and moral
integrity as what she considers to be a gov't watchdog requires her to speak
out, while be it covert and she therefore asked me to "spread" the word...She
said that journalism and the truth is at stake. She said another friend of
hers, a producer at MSNBC, said that an anchor by the name of Keith Olbermann
had brought it up on his show on Friday eve and the axe came down. He's
atleast fighting back and talking about it on his "Blog", but she said that
people there are worried that he's going to be fired by higher ups. She said
at this point the only way that the "real news" was going to be if the people
started talking about it and made a big enough stink about it to our elected
officials, the FEC, and "noise" to the international media, that our own media
won't have any choice but to cover it. (Yes, this is really happening in the
good ole' supposed "democratic" free press of the US of A). The only place
you'll see this talked about right now is on the internet and on
AirAmericaRadio.
Everyone--this is serious....I can't emphasize it any more than saying if
there was ever a time to speak up and take action it is NOW. If you are
feeling sick to your stomach (like me) about the possibility of 4 more years
under Bush and the future of our country, and yet you feel helpless, here's
your opportunity to take action. Imagine if you saw a loved one drowning--what
do you do? Well, our country's democracy is drowning and she needs us. In an
email I sent you last night, I used the F-word--FRAUD and mentioned to you
that I felt strongly that there is a lot of mounting evidence that this
election was not clean. I say that not only out of a result of my observations
while out in the field as a poll watcher in the key battleground state of
Ohio, I say it with the knowledge and information of reports that have been
circulating around the country in various voting precincts involving
irregularities and problems with the voting machines and numbers not matching
up with the exit polls or actual numbers of registered voters in various
precincts. I've been busy researching this issue and compiling for you below
some details of these reports and where you can get more info:
To believe that Bush won the election, you must also believe:
1- That the exit polls were WRONG...(remember--they have been used for over a
decade and considered reliable)
2- That Zogby's 5pm election day calls for Kerry winning OH, FL were WRONG. He
was within a less than 1/2 % point margin of error in his 2000 final poll and
previous polls for other elections.
3- That Harris Poll last minute polling for Kerry was WRONG. They were also
within a 1/2% point margin of error in their 2000 final poll.
4- The Incumbent Rule #I (that undecideds primarily break at the end for the
challenger)was WRONG.
5- The 50% Rule was WRONG (that an incumbent doesn't do better than his final
polling)
6- The Approval Rating Rule was WRONG (that an incumbent with less than 50%
approval will most likely lose the election)
7- That Journalist Greg Palast was WRONG when he said that even before the
election, 1 million votes were stolen from Kerry. He was the ONLY reporter to
break the fact that 90,000 Florida blacks were disnfranchised in 2000.
8- That it was just a COINCIDENCE that the exit polls were CORRECT where there
WAS a PAPER TRAIL and INCORRECT (+5% for Bush) where there was NO PAPER TRAIL.
9- That the surge in new young voters had NO positive effect for Kerry, even
though it was the largest number of youth voters 18-29 ever and a huge jump
from 2000 and they were over 55% in favor of Kerry. >> 10- That Bush BEAT 99
to 1 mathematical odds in winning the election.
11- That Kerry did WORSE than Gore against an opponent who LOST the support of
SCORES of Republican newspapers who were for Bush in 2000.
12- That Bush did better than an 18 national poll average which showed him
tied with Kerry at 47. In other words, Bush got 80% of the undecided vote to
end up with a 51-48 majority--when ALL professional pollsters agree that the
undecided vote ALWAYS goes to the challenger.
13- That Voting machines made by Republicans with no paper trail and with no
software publication, which have been proven by thousands of computer
scientists to be vulnerable in scores of ways, were NOT tampered with in this
election.
Some Examples: (There are many more, but I won't list them all here--this is
to give you an idea)
- The City of Gahanna in Ohio discovered a discrepancy that gave 4,000 votes
to George Bush. After media scrutiny, city officials have admitted to an
electronic "glitch" that caused the problem.
- In Broward County, FL, errors in software code caused a referendum on
gambling to be completely overturned. The error caused totals to count
backwards after reaching a ceiling of 32,500 votes. The problem existed in the
2002 election as well however the issue was never resolved by the manufacturer
of the electronic voting machine.
- In North Carolina, a Craven County district logged 11,283 more votes than
voters and actually overturned the results of a regional race.
For more info, go to: http://www.blackboxvoting.org
I get most of my information like you guys from tv newspaper sites my dad.Anyway lets see bush's mortals are🙁You guys are going to flame me for this)
Anyway that he is againt abortion and is not allowing the same sex marriage thing to be allowed.And he has only one wife.Unlike kerry who has two wifes.
That to me is being mortal. Just wondering but what do you think being mortal is?JM
ANYWAY...ill repost corn's post
quite disturbing indeed...most disturbing because it
is quite believable.
Originally posted by cornponious
Here's an interesting letter from Peter Coyote:Letter from Peter Coyote on Black Box Voting
Nov 09 2004 22:49:01
There is a bumper sticker I saw months ago that sums up the current state of
affairs in our country regarding what is the biggest news story you'll never
see on the General Media reported. It said "IF YOUR NOT OUTRAGED, YOUR NOT
PAYING ATTENTION".
On Friday I received a phone call from a good friend who works at CBS--I've
known her for years and she is a Producer for some of the news programs, one
well known one in particular. She tipped me off that the news media is in a
"lock-down" and that there is to be no TV coverage of the real problems
with voting on Nov. 2nd. She said similar "lock-down orders" had come down
last year after the invasion of Iraq, but this is far worse--far scarier. She
said the majority of their journalists at CBS and elsewhere in NYC are pretty
horrified--every one is worried about their jobs and retribution Dan Rather
style or worse. My source said they've also been forbidden to talk about it
even on their own time but she was pissed and her journalistic and moral
integrity as what she considers to be a gov't watchdog requires her to speak
out, while be it covert and she therefore asked me to "spread" the word...She
said that journalism and the truth is at stake. She said another friend of
hers, a producer at MSNBC, said that an anchor by the name of Keith Olbermann
had brought it up on his show on Friday eve and the axe came down. He's
atleast fighting back and talking about it on his "Blog", but she said that
people there are worried that he's going to be fired by higher ups. She said
at this point the only way that the "real news" was going to be if the people
started talking about it and made a big enough stink about it to our elected
officials, the FEC, and "noise" to the international media, that our own media
won't have any choice but to cover it. (Yes, this is really happening in the
good ole' supposed "democratic" free press of the US of A). The only place
you'll see this talked about right now is on the internet and on
AirAmericaRadio.Everyone--this is serious....I can't emphasize it any more than saying if
there was ever a time to speak up and take action it is NOW. If you are
feeling sick to your stomach (like me) about the possibility of 4 more years
under Bush and the future of our country, and yet you feel helpless, here's
your opportunity to take action. Imagine if you saw a loved one drowning--what
do you do? Well, our country's democracy is drowning and she needs us. In an
email I sent you last night, I used the F-word--FRAUD and mentioned to you
that I felt strongly that there is a lot of mounting evidence that this
election was not clean. I say that not only out of a result of my observations
while out in the field as a poll watcher in the key battleground state of
Ohio, I say it with the knowledge and information of reports that have been
circulating around the country in various voting precincts involving
irregularities and problems with the voting machines and numbers not matching
up with the exit polls or actual numbers of registered voters in various
precincts. I've been busy researching this issue and compiling for you below
some details of these reports and where you can get more info:To believe that Bush won the election, you must also believe:
1- That the exit polls were WRONG...(remember--they have been used for over a
decade and considered reliable)2- That Zogby's 5pm election day calls for Kerry winning OH, FL were WRONG. He
was within a less than 1/2 % point margin of error in his 2000 final poll and
previous polls for other elections.3- That Harris Poll last minute polling for Kerry was WRONG. They were also
within a 1/2% point margin of error in their 2000 final poll.4- The Incumbent Rule #I (that undecideds primarily break at the end for the
challenger)was WRONG.5- The 50% Rule was WRONG (that an incumbent doesn't do better than his final
polling)6- The Approval Rating Rule was WRONG (that an incumbent with less than 50%
approval will most likely lose the election)7- That Journalist Greg Palast was WRONG when he said that even before the
election, 1 million votes were stolen from Kerry. He was the ONLY reporter to
break the fact that 90,000 Florida blacks were disnfranchised in 2000.8- That it was just a COINCIDENCE that the exit polls were CORRECT where there
WAS a PAPER TRAIL and INCORRECT (+5% for Bush) where there was NO PAPER TRAIL.9- That the surge in new young voters had NO positive effect for Kerry, even
though it was the largest number of youth voters 18-29 ever and a huge jump
from 2000 and they were over 55% in favor of Kerry. >> 10- That Bush BEAT 99
to 1 mathematical odds in winning the election.11- That Kerry did WORSE than Gore against an opponent who LOST the support of
SCORES of Republican newspapers who were for Bush in 2000.12- That Bush did better than an 18 national poll average which showed him
tied with Kerry at 47. In other words, Bush got 80% of the undecided vote to
end up with a 51-48 majority--when ALL professional pollsters agree that the
undecided vote ALWAYS goes to the challenger.13- That Voting machines made by Republicans with no paper trail and with no
software publication, which have been proven by thousands of computer
scientists to be vulnerable in scores of ways, were NOT tampered with in this
election.Some Examples: (There are many more, but I won't list them all here--this is
to give you an idea)- The City of Gahanna in Ohio discovered a discrepancy that gave 4,000 votes
to George Bush. After media scrutiny, city officials have admitted to an
electronic "glitch" that caused the problem.- In Broward County, FL, errors in software code caused a referendum on
gambling to be completely overturned. The error caused totals to count
backwards after reaching a ceiling of 32,500 votes. The problem existed in the
2002 election as well however the issue was never resolved by the manufacturer
of the electronic voting machine.- In North Carolina, a Craven County district logged 11,283 more votes than
voters and actually overturned the results of a regional race.For more info, go to: http://www.blackboxvoting.org
Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
Link 😱 How was your birthday?
JP!! hug
It was crappy. Got chewed out at work for not communicating to my team enough on a project I'm managing. Then I had school, but ditched to go to dinner with my parents.
AND, i didn't get to spend time with my girlfriend...🙁
I'm sure she had a great "present" in mind for me 😖hifty: