Yes, it does say in the Bible that people shouldn't be gay--but if you interpret that as "we should punish gay people for being who they are," you're a moron. The Bible also tells you not to be judgemental to people who choose not to believe what you believe, and putting your bullshit discriminatory doctrine of restricting gay rights into the US constitution is clearly judgemental. How is not allowing gay people to marry NOT homophobic? And don't give me any of that "I believe in gay rights, but they shouldn't be allowed to marry!" shit.
We are NOT punishing homosexuals. We are simply stating that marriage should be between one man and one woman. We aren't being judgmental, either--judgmental would be, "OMG UR GAY STRAIGHT TO TEH GAS CHAMBERS!" Actually, that would be evil... Judgmental would be, "You're gay? Well, you are obviously a horrible person."
Homophobia is the uncontrollable, all-consuming fear of homosexuals. The view that homosexuals should not be allowed to marry is not being afraid of them--it is setting a moral standard for our country.
You know what? I'm afraid I'm going to have to succumb to that "shit" about homosexuals having rights but not being allowed to marry. Do I believe that homosexuality is uncontrollable? Yep. Do I believe it is in-born? Yep. Do I believe that it can be cured? Nope, except for an extremely slim percentage of cases.
But do I think that our morals should drop another level? Not on your life, or mine either.
Originally posted by hh?
🙄 i bet next president is gonna be even worse than Bush.
Actually, Aristophanes made that point in his plays when he was making fun of Cleon - and he was right. Next one is always worse - it has to be to overthrow the bad one.
Whoever read Aristophanes will know what im talking about - but i suspect noone has so noone has any clue what im on about....oh well.
Originally posted by FeceMan
We are NOT punishing homosexuals. We are simply stating that marriage should be between one man and one woman. We aren't being judgmental, either--judgmental would be, "OMG UR GAY STRAIGHT TO TEH GAS CHAMBERS!" Actually, that would be evil... Judgmental would be, "You're gay? Well, you are obviously a horrible person."Homophobia is the uncontrollable, all-consuming fear of homosexuals. The view that homosexuals should not be allowed to marry is not being afraid of them--it is setting a moral standard for our country.
You know what? I'm afraid I'm going to have to succumb to that "shit" about homosexuals having rights but not being allowed to marry. Do I believe that homosexuality is uncontrollable? Yep. Do I believe it is in-born? Yep. Do I believe that it can be cured? Nope, except for an extremely slim percentage of cases.
But do I think that our morals should drop another level? Not on your life, or mine either.
But how the hell do you people think homosexuality is "immoral?" You admit yourself that it's not something that's chosen. Until you get your head out of your ass and admit that you don't like gay people, nothing you say on the topic will be taken as a valid comment.
Okay, say I'm the marriage police, and I don't like you because you have a big, nasty mole on your left cheek. You are very much in love with your significant other, however, and are planning to marry them. How would you feel if I told you you couldn't marry because your mole was "immoral" or some shit? There is no logic behind your reasoning. Telling gays that they can't marry because they are gay is the same as the example I just used.
EDIT: I just thought of a better example. The problem of trying to bring Christian morality into the government is that what is considered "immoral" will continue to be stretched further and further, until pretty soon, you'll have a bunch of nutjob senators going around ranting about how immoral atheists, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and what have you are. Not allowing gay people to marry because they love someone of the same sex is like not allowing an atheist couple to marry. Marriage in the eyes of the government and marriage in the eyes of Christianity are two seperate things and should be viewed as such.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Actually, Aristophanes made that point in his plays when he was making fun of Cleon - and he was right. Next one is always worse - it has to be to overthrow the bad one.Whoever read Aristophanes will know what im talking about - but i suspect noone has so noone has any clue what im on about....oh well.
i've read Aristophanes...but why dont i remember this.
but which one of his works was this in?
My moral standards are set in the Bible. Having sex with another of the same gender is expressely forbidden in the Bible. Being a homosexual isn't immoral, but having sex with someone of the same gender is immoral.
(I can sense the next issue forthcoming...I'm not going to say it, but, in a moment of clarity, I have seen it. Shhh! Be vewwy, vewwy quiet...)
Not allowing gay people to marry because they love someone of the same sex is like not allowing an atheist couple to marry.
Ah, but that permission is given in the Constitution...
I have the future of which to think. I don't want my children to think that it is OK to have two mommies or daddies, that it is "just another kind of love". The Bible says it is not OK. Atheists can marry...that's not a degeneration of the already low morality of our country.
Originally posted by FeceMan
My moral standards are set in the Bible. Having sex with another of the same gender is expressely forbidden in the Bible. Being a homosexual isn't immoral, but having sex with someone of the same gender is immoral.(I can sense the next issue forthcoming...I'm not going to say it, but, in a moment of clarity, I have seen it. Shhh! Be vewwy, vewwy quiet...)
But where in the Bible does it say that you have to force other people to conform to your beliefs?
Did I get it right? 😛
Originally posted by FeceMan
We are NOT punishing homosexuals. We are simply stating that marriage should be between one man and one woman. We aren't being judgmental, either--judgmental would be, "OMG UR GAY STRAIGHT TO TEH GAS CHAMBERS!" Actually, that would be evil... Judgmental would be, "You're gay? Well, you are obviously a horrible person."Homophobia is the uncontrollable, all-consuming fear of homosexuals. The view that homosexuals should not be allowed to marry is not being afraid of them--it is setting a moral standard for our country.
You know what? I'm afraid I'm going to have to succumb to that "shit" about homosexuals having rights but not being allowed to marry. Do I believe that homosexuality is uncontrollable? Yep. Do I believe it is in-born? Yep. Do I believe that it can be cured? Nope, except for an extremely slim percentage of cases.
But do I think that our morals should drop another level? Not on your life, or mine either.
I don't get what the big deal about gay marriage is, just legalize it and let's move on. I think Bush only took a stand against gay marriage as a diversion because things weren't looking so well over in Iraq. By fighting gay marriage, not only are you infringing on people's rights, but you are also fighting a battle you can't win. You know sooner or later it is going to be legalized, all you're doing is delaying the inevitable.
Also, morals must change when they aren't fair to a certain group of people. It was considered morally OK by a large group of people to enslave the black race.
FeceMan & Darth Revan You two are fighting over Steps #3 and #8.
3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause. The most significant common thread among these regimes was the use of scapegoating as a means to divert the people’s attention from other problems, to shift blame for failures, and to channel frustration in controlled directions. The methods of choice—relentless propaganda and disinformation—were usually effective. Often the regimes would incite “spontaneous” acts against the target scapegoats, usually communists, socialists, liberals, Jews, ethnic and racial minorities, traditional national enemies, members of other religions, secularists, homosexuals, and “terrorists.” Active opponents of these regimes were inevitably labeled as terrorists and dealt with accordingly.
8. Religion and ruling elite tied together. Unlike communist regimes, the fascist and protofascist regimes were never proclaimed as godless by their opponents. In fact, most of the regimes attached themselves to the predominant religion of the country and chose to portray themselves as militant defenders of that religion. The fact that the ruling elite’s behavior was incompatible with the precepts of the religion was generally swept under the rug. Propaganda kept up the illusion that the ruling elites were defenders of the faith and opponents of the “godless.” A perception was manufactured that opposing the power elite was tantamount to an attack on religion.
Looks like the list has merit to me guys. 😄
Interesting...someone read Dr. Lawrence Britt 14 steps. And from what I see they even put Bush name next to the 14 steps. Allow me to make a in depth look at Fascism.
Fascism is a totalitarian philosophy of government that glorifies the state and nation and assigns to the state control over every aspect of national life. The name was first used by the party started by Benito Mussolini, who ruled Italy from 1922 until the Italian defeat in World War II. However, it has also been applied to similar ideologies in other countries, e.g., to National Socialism in Germany and to the regime of Francisco Franco in Spain. The term is derived from the Latin fasces.
A quick definition of Fascism: a) A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
b) A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
Oppressive, dictatorial control.
ETYMOLOGY:
Italian fascismo, from fascio, group, from Late Latin fascium, from Latin fascis, bundle
Characteristics of Fascist Philosophy:
Fascism, especially in its early stages, is obliged to be antitheoretical and frankly opportunistic in order to appeal to many diverse groups. Nevertheless, a few key concepts are basic to it. First and most important is the glorification of the state and the total subordination of the individual to it. The state is defined as an organic whole into which individuals must be absorbed for their own and the state's benefit. This "total state" is absolute in its methods and unlimited by law in its control and direction of its citizens.
A second ruling concept of fascism is embodied in the theory of Social Darwinism. The doctrine of survival of the fittest and the necessity of struggle for life is applied by fascists to the life of a nation-state. Peaceful, complacent nations are seen as doomed to fall before more dynamic ones, making struggle and aggressive militarism a leading characteristic of the fascist state. Imperialism is the logical outcome of this dogma.
Another element of fascism is its elitism. Salvation from rule by the mob and the destruction of the existing social order can be effected only by an authoritarian leader who embodies the highest ideals of the nation. This concept of the leader as hero or superman, borrowed in part from the romanticism of Friedrich Nietzsche, Thomas Carlyle, and Richard Wagner, is closely linked with fascism's rejection of reason and intelligence and its emphasis on vision, creativeness, and "the will."
Now, I hope this post can help you clear out your mind. I really hope....
Originally posted by FeceMan
No, that was not the issue.The same part where it says that anyone who indulges in sexual immorality must be put to death.
So, why are we wasting our time preventing gay people from marrying each other? Let's just skip the whole 14 step program, and go straight to fascism! Gays must be gassed and their corpses burned by the thousands for all to behold! Heil the glorious green-coated troops! usaflag
Originally posted by Darth Revan
So, why are we wasting our time preventing gay people from marrying each other? Let's just skip the whole 14 step program, and go straight to fascism! Gays must be gassed and their corpses burned by the thousands for all to behold! Heil the glorious green-coated troops! flag
actually i dont mind getting rid of the homosexuals...
DR i think the topic on homosexuals is the only thing we disagree on.
and parts of religious beliefs
and techniques in sacrificing noobs...