The trouble with communism is that if everybody gets an equal share of money, then there is no motivation for anybody to work or try to get a better job than anybody else. The country then becomes lazy and the economy collapseswell but if everyone gets equal share of money there is no need to stive for better jobs.
But why would they do a difficult job if somebody else with an easy job gets as much moneyYour way of thinking here is of a capitalistic point of view. The ideology is that all jobs are just as important, that they are all just as much worth regardless if you are a doctor or a bossman. They all participate to make their society work......... now thats the theoretical idea behind it. How it worked in the real life is a different matter all togehter though.
Watch or read George Orwells "Animal farm" then you get a pretty good picture of how a good idea turned sour
Yip, communism is a great idea in theory, as is socialism, but it doesn't work in real life. Human nature tends to put a spanner in the works. In communism, power corrupts. It's been proven in real life applications. In socialist societies, you have problems like in England where 15 year old girls fall pregnant, on purpose, so they can go on the dohl (or however you spell that). Like so many theories, it just isn't practical. At this point in time, the only thing that can work is capitalism. Wallerstein reckons the only thing after this is socialism. I don't know.
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The worker becomes all the poorer the more wealth he produces, the more his production increases in power and range. The worker becomes an ever cheaper commodity the more commodities he creates. With the increasing value of the world of things proceeds in direct proportion to the devaluation of the world of men. Labour produces not only commodities; it produces itself and the worker as a commodity -- and does so in the proportion in which it produces commodities generally.
The man was a genious! One of the greatest philosophers of all time. There has always been debates about what was written by Marx and what was written by his close friend Engels. I, personally don't debate much on who wrote what because for me the message is the same.....this world belongs to the working class and eventually the proletariat will triumph over the opressor.
Now, it is very unfortunate that his ideas in the Manifesto were corrupted during the 20th century. From the Soviets to Castro they took what they liked from the Marx's ideas and used them for their own causes. I kinda see The Communist Manifesto as a religious book. Some people take what they want from it and turn it into their own agendas. What a pity indeed.
Originally posted by WindDancer
The man was a genious! One of the greatest philosophers of all time. There has always been debates about what was written by Marx and what was written by his close friend Engels. I, personally don't debate much on who wrote what because for me the message is the same.....this world belongs to the working class and eventually the proletariat will triumph over the opressor.Now, it is very unfortunate that his ideas in the Manifesto were corrupted during the 20th century. From the Soviets to Castro they took what they liked from the Marx's ideas and used them for their own causes. I kinda see The Communist Manifesto as a religious book. Some people take what they want from it and turn it into their own agendas. What a pity indeed.
I've noticed that people who worship Marx and Lenin tend to steer clear of Stalin, but I have come across an exception before - someone advocating Stalin's system as being ideal!
I've noticed that people who worship Marx and Lenin tend to steer clear of Stalin, but I have come across an exception before - someone advocating Stalin's system as being ideal!Stalin was a paranoid butcher dictator, Lenin also went away from the theory the communism was built uppon. He created the leadership, the soviets, an elite group who had privilages beyond what the avarage man had. By doing so the idea of all is equal was gone
Stalin was a paranoid butcher dictator, Lenin also went away from the theory the communism was built uppon. He created the leadership, the soviets, an elite group who had privilages beyond what the avarage man had. By doing so the idea of all is equal was gone
Trotsky was the only one that kept the ideas of Marx intact. A true marxist to the core.