He is helping someone us.He is not as selfish as you guys may think.I am not sure how how to answear this question I don't know who it has helped.
And again I am not with it or againt it.I have my own feelings towards it.But going on to blaming bush for the war is pointless.There is a war going on and there is nothering we can do about it.
Sure we can blame bush over and over again but what good is it?JM
The day that GW Bush was elected, the very first thing I said to my mates was "There goes Iraq" - it was obvious that the bush family had unfinished business there and GW would be looking for any excuse to go back in. I don't believe the war is all about oil - I think that the prospect of oil is probably how the bush family managed to drum up the support of the business that backs the administration, but the desire to invade is, this time, far more personal.
Fact is we will never know: all we can comment on (with certainty) is whether we feel it was defensible. All the WOMD / Biological agents justification the Bush administration and UK Government gave for invading has been proved to be BS. The fact that they ignored (or at best twisted the decisions of ) the UN means at least for me the invasion was indefensible.
As to whether it was justifiable because of the Hussein’s regimes history of repression, torture, & execution - I don’t recall the UK and the USA being the strong right arm of amnesty international in the past, and for them to be using this as a justification now smacks of a desperate scrabble for the shred of moral high ground left to them.
I'm rarely proud of the actions of any government - they are by nature beasts made up of compromise and I'm not fond of compromises. In this instance I'm disgusted at my governments culpability and dismayed that my own vote helped put them in power. It makes me partly responsible for every death, and I find that hard to forget.
"I am not sure how how to answear this question I don't know who it has helped."
Then pardon me for telling you to shut the Hell up and stop saying it has.
It removed Saddam from power. That is ALL. The only thing it helped was GW Senior's ego. Saddam was no threat to me.
No offence but isn't one of the pre-requisites of a weapons system like, the ability to actually arm yourself with, aim and use the thing? Coz Iraq cannot do any of these to us.
Funny how Jackie says George Bush is this man fighting for freedom and truth when he lied to the American public and the world then went out and said "We live in a nation with so many freedoms. Oh by the way, abortions and gay marriage are illegal now."
-AC
Even removing Saddam from power if of questionable use. He had done terrible things, true, but was of no threat to the world, only to his own people. Even then his policy's had softened significantly in recent years. in fact the UN sanctions were causing far more deaths then the Iraqi regime. If Bush was truly interested in making the world better he should have finished what was began in Afghanistan, a nation which, while recently celebrating democratic elections is never the less in a very dire way.
Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
He is helping someone us.He is not as selfish as you guys may think.I am not sure how how to answear this question I don't know who it has helped.
And again I am not with it or againt it.I have my own feelings towards it.But going on to blaming bush for the war is pointless.There is a war going on and there is nothering we can do about it.
Sure we can blame bush over and over again but what good is it?JM
He is helping nobody except his own elite.
He is as selfish as we think.
I am sure you don't know how to answer this question because you appear to be remarkably ill-informed.
Blaming Bush for the war is pointless? Excuse me, but didn't he start the war?
Let me explain this to you as simply as possible:
Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. In all the footage of 9/11 directly afterwards, no mention is ever made of Iraq. Bush, in collaboration with a few select spokes people, then start mentioning Iraq in press releases, statements, etc. Suddenly, with no evidence whatsoever, Iraq starts to get the blame for 9/11!
Now, being of a suspicious mind, I usually blame one thing: Greed.
With politicians, it is usually a combination of two things: Power and money. First, it is quite possible that he was still angry with Iraq because "they attacked my daddy!" Second, oil will always be of primary concern to someone of Bush's background.
Let me give you a few facts about this "saint", Bush, that you are so quick to defend. He was an alcoholic when "God" started speaking to him. God" told" him that he was going to be the next president of the United States, so Bush became a reborn Christian, and has been playing that card for all he is worth ever since.
All this you can get from a documentary called "The World according to Bush", made by a great team of French journalists.
There is no denying that there are ties, very strong financial ties, between Bush's family and Osama bin Laden's family. If you still believe there are no ties between these two families, you are blind or a fool. Go and reward yourself with a couple of days' research, and your eyes will open.
Asking what good it will do to blame Bush for the war is enough to make me see red. Do you know that there was one senator, ONE SENATOR, who had the guts to stand up and question the decision to attack Iraq? This was an eighty-something old grandfather, who had nothing left to lose, who stood up in the senate and blasted everybody for being the unquestioning puppets of Bush that they are.
Did you know that when Bush was elected for the first time it was the closest the streets of America ever came to erupting in riots with a presidential election?
Stop defending somebody just because he is your president. Believe me, having grown up in South Africa under the apartheid regime, I have learned one very valuable lesson: ALWAYS question your leaders. They are usually corrupt, greedy, power-hungry elitists, who will go to any lengths to enrich themselves and their very small circle of elites. They will tell any lie if it will benefit themselves, and they rely on the gullibility and unquestioning obedience of the uninformed majority like yourselves to get away with it.
Take Nelson Mandela, locked up for 27 years because he was a "terrorist", the entire ANC, expelled from their own country, because they tried to stand up for basic homan rights, like equality and fairness and the right to be judges not on skin colour alone. These peple were seen as terrorists, animals, and war was declared on them, by the glorified leadersof our country, and their orders were carried out unquestioningly. Thousands of innocent people were slaughtered, tortured and held without trial.
Now, do you see the similarities between what is happening in Iraq and what happened in South Africa?
No I too know alot abot the war but that question was hard to answear at that time.Anyway what I meant by pointless is that you guys can complain all you want about it.
and also blame all you want but it is not going to do anything.The soilders are still in Iraq and Bush is still president.So complaining is not geting you anywhere.
That is what I meant.Btw I like your avator in your siggy!JM
No I too know alot about the war JM
Please give me you full and detailed opinion and knowledge about the war in Iraq, why you think the US is there, and the possible repercussions of this endeavour. You say you know alot, now is the time to back it up.
By the way, please reference the Petrodollars and the OPEC Euro question and how the states can never leave iraq now because Iran would love to get in there (and the Sunni majority probably would see them as liberators) in your answer. I await your response with giddy anticipation.
Oh yes, and JM, stop putting your initials after everything you say, your name appears right alongside your post. We know it's you.
I just want to say that I support American Troops and our allies for they are the ones that are actually out there experiencing this war Unfortunately and not us. They are the ones who really know what is happening and not us. We only know what we hear from the Media and some of the Media likes to really over do it.
Just my two cents...LOL
Originally posted by KharmaDog
[B]No I too know alot about the war JMPlease give me you full and detailed opinion and knowledge about the war in Iraq, why you think the US is there, and the possible repercussions of this endeavour. You say you know alot, now is the time to back it up.
By the way, please reference the Petrodollars and the OPEC Euro question and how the states can never leave iraq now because Iran would love to get in there (and the Sunni majority probably would see them as liberators) in your answer. I await your response with giddy anticipation.
Oh yes, and JM, stop putting your initials after everything you say, your name appears right alongside your post. We know it's you. [/B]