Should the voting age be changed to 16+?

Started by JKozzy17 pages
Originally posted by Linkalicious
^damn you Kozzy...you're right, she woulda won.

I know 😛

course she woulda...

kk guys, im goin, but i'll be back. peace out, everyone! 😄

🙂

JKOZZY, I, too follow politics closely, and I have more sense than many adults when it comes to it. I'm not sure the age should be 16. In fact, I don't think there should be an age at all. I think that anybody who registers to vote should be given a comprehension test. That way, those of us who are underage could vote, and those who don't deserve to vote won't.

Secondly, I think Mary Carrey should have won. Just my opinion. But the whole thing in California was a joke, anyway.

Testing for political awareness is a. impractical and b. would create a two-class system. Those who had passed the test for the vote would be seen as superior to the disenfranchised underclass.

Fixing it at an age may be inexact but it IS fair.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Testing for political awareness is a. impractical and b. would create a two-class system. Those who had passed the test for the vote would be seen as superior to the disenfranchised underclass.

Fixing it at an age may be inexact but it IS fair.

a) Why?

b) Proof? And even if it's true, so what? People who are paid more are also viewed as superior (often) to people who are poor; does this mean we should pay everyone exactly the same amount, to prevent this?

since voting in belgium is mandatory (not everybody does it but almost everyone) I think it would be a bad idea to let 16 and 17 year olds vote, heck it's even a bad idea to let 18 year olds vote

When you grow up you won't care, just like I don't. It's the same with being 21 to buy alcohol.

Originally posted by botankus
When you grow up you won't care, just like I don't. It's the same with being 21 to buy alcohol.

Can you say, "cynical," boys and girls?

Millions of people care very strongly; just because you don't doesn't mean everyone is that way.

I care about politics a lot, I think it is extremely fascinating and seriously underestimated by the general public

Cynical!!!!

The fact is....the MAJORITY of 16 year olds don't give a rats ass about politics. Why should the government change a law for the minority?

Originally posted by Gregory
a) Why?

b) Proof? And even if it's true, so what? People who are paid more are also viewed as superior (often) to people who are poor; does this mean we should pay everyone exactly the same amount, to prevent this?

a. Because you have to decisively pin down what such a test would consist of, which is basically impossible

b. It is incredibly obvious this will happen, and an allegory to money really doesn't strike me as having any bearing at all. This will DIRECTLY cause the establishment of one class with a vote and one class without- this is something to be very strongly opposed at all costs. It is something we moved on from centuries ago. It will also very quickly become clear that the affluent and well educated will be more likely get the vote, whilst the poor do not, as the well-educated will be more likely to pass whatever test is set. You will effectively disenfranchise a section of society and create a system of vote by merit only, and so only their views will be reflected in elections.

It is a very, very, very bad idea, to be strongly opposed by anyone with sense.. The only reasonable way to do it is by a fixed age of rough esitmation of maturity, which is what we have.

Quite children! School is now in session!

Ush...will you write a couple of Uni reports for me? 🤨

Oh Lordy, I had enough of education as it is...

on one hand i think yes it should be changed to 16 because many 16 year olds understand and should be able to decide

but on the other.....i know many 16 year olds who are dumb and will vote without thinking of the consequences

Originally posted by Linkalicious
Cynical!!!!

The fact is....the MAJORITY of 16 year olds don't give a rats ass about politics.

Prove it. Or are you just making stuff up?

how about you prove that the majority of 16 year olds DO give a rats ass about politics...

that seems to be a lot more important to the topic than me proving that they don't care...

Originally posted by Ushgarak

It is incredibly obvious this will happen, and an allegory to money really doesn't strike me as having any bearing at all. This will DIRECTLY cause the establishment of one class with a vote and one class without- this is something to be very strongly opposed at all costs. It is something we moved on from centuries ago. It will also very quickly become clear that the affluent and well educated will be more likely get the vote, whilst the poor do not, as the well-educated will be more likely to pass whatever test is set. You will effectively disenfranchise a section of society and create a system of vote by merit only, and so only their views will be reflected in elections.

You seem to be saying that it's a bad thing because the people who aren't qualified to vote will not be allowed to. If you think this is a bad thing, I will not try to change your mind. I disagree, however.

It will create huge class division across society. Yes, I think it is a bad thing- I think applying a 'suitability' model to politics does not work and will lead to huge inequalities and oppression.

Originally posted by Linkalicious
how about you prove that the majority of 16 year olds DO give a rats ass about politics...

This is called "shifting the burden of proof," and it is a logical fallicy. You made a claim, not me. Therefore, you get to provide the evidence.