For or Against Euthanasia

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Let's say "Jim" goes to the doctor and they find a tumor on his kidneys. Deciding it it operable, they remove it and he is OK. This is a far cry from using euthanasia, man. Using science and medical advancements to prolong life and using euthanasia to END a life are two different things entirely.

Not that different at all, really.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
It's like checking the oil in your car, making sure it it at a certain level at all times. If you check it and it is low, and decide to drive without adding a quart of oil, sure, your engine is gonna blow. But if you add however much oil the car needs, then the car has a longer life.

And yet you are allowed to let your engine blow...hmm.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Sure, christians also steal and commit adultery. "Thou shall not kill", one of the ten commandments, along with "Thou shall not commit adultery" and "Thou shall not steal."

No idea what that has to do with anything.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
For the record, I bring up my religion simply because it ties into my views. I will never try and force anyone to do anything just because I believe in it. "Free will."

Oh, that's good. So you think Euthanasia should be legal?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Not that different at all, really.

And yet you are allowed to let your engine blow...hmm.

No idea what that has to do with anything.

Oh, that's good. So you think Euthanasia should be legal?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Yes, totally different, because one is saving a life, while the other is ending it. Opposite ends of the spectrum.

The basics surrounding it are the same though, you try to ease suffering. Your stance was "God should choose the time of our death", on that basis you say euthanasia (and I guess suicide) are wrong. But, in the same way you "cheat" God by prolonging your life. If you actually believe that only God should choose you shouldn't do anything at all, and see what he chooses, but, you do do things, and every action you take shortens or prolongs your life. Now, if you believe that God already incorporated that, then he'd include Euthanasia as well, as such, it would be God's choice to let the person die in such a way.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I aint gonna lie, this area of Christianity baffles me. One can go out and commit all kinds of rape, genocide, etc;, and if they discover Jesus and genuinely believe in him, and ask to be forgiven, they are cleansed of all sins. I believe you and I have discussed this before.

Well, you know I don't believe in it. No point discussing it.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Nope, I have free will to go out and stab someone to death, but that's illegal. Just like one using euthanasia should be illegal.

But you said "I will never try and force anyone to do anything just because I believe in it.", when you vote or argue for euthanasia to be illegal you do force people to do (or not to do) something because of what you believe in. You can't have it both ways.

Originally posted by Bardock42
The basics surrounding it are the same though, you try to ease suffering. Your stance was "God should choose the time of our death", on that basis you say euthanasia (and I guess suicide) are wrong. But, in the same way you "cheat" God by prolonging your life. If you actually believe that only God should choose you shouldn't do anything at all, and see what he chooses, but, you do do things, and every action you take shortens or prolongs your life. Now, if you believe that God already incorporated that, then he'd include Euthanasia as well, as such, it would be God's choice to let the person die in such a way.

Well, you know I don't believe in it. No point discussing it.

But I guess one has to also consider how much someone is suffering, the amount of pain they are in, so I guess euthanasia shouldn't be totally illegal. If anything, one should state in their living will, in great detail, how to proceed if they are suffering or in pain. Dammit, you got me thinking too much now, you Kraut bastard.

But you said "I will never try and force anyone to do anything just because I believe in it.", when you vote or argue for euthanasia to be illegal you do force people to do (or not to do) something because of what you believe in. You can't have it both ways.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Look, this is what I was trying to avoid, a religious debate. Let me just say that life is a precious thing, a gift, and to end it, even though one is suffering, is just a travesty. If certain things procedures can be performed to prolong it, great. But ending it to avoid suffering is wrong IMO. "Arguing" my point is not the same as me tying you down and force feeding you the Bible.

The problem is that for some people it is not precious. It is a horror. And, like Doug Stanhope says "Look, if you sat half way through a film and it was shit all the way through, it's not very likely that there's going to be something right at the end that makes it all worthwhile. No one should blame you for walking out early".

I don't hate life, I enjoy it very much, but I realize that some people don't....that for some people it is living hell...and to ease their suffering or letting them ease it themselves is very just.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
But I guess one has to also consider how much someone is suffering, the amount of pain they are in, so I guess euthanasia shouldn't be totally illegal. If anything, one should state in their living will, in great detail, how to proceed if they are suffering or in pain. Dammit, you got me thinking too much now, you Kraut bastard.

Continue thinking on that line. You discovered an excellent point, don't let it go.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I am only stating my opinion, B. I wouldn't go out and vote on it, that would be me forcing my views on others.

Oh well, fair enough. I still believe it is a bit hypocritical, but your "I don't vote" excuse at least means you won't force your believes on anyone too much.

Originally posted by Bardock42
The problem is that for some people it is not precious. It is a horror. And, like Doug Stanhope says "Look, if you sat half way through a film and it was shit all the way through, it's not very likely that there's going to be something right at the end that makes it all worthwhile. No one should blame you for walking out early".

I don't hate life, I enjoy it very much, but I realize that some people don't....that for some people it is living hell...and to ease their suffering or letting them ease it themselves is very just.

Continue thinking on that line. You discovered an excellent point, don't let it go.

Oh well, fair enough. I still believe it is a bit hypocritical, but your "I don't vote" excuse at least means you won't force your believes on anyone too much.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
A horrific life can easily be turned into an enjoyable one, it's all up to the individual.

I don't think that takes into account many "unchangeable" or outside influences. Someone with severe depression or paranoia or another mental illness might be trapped with their own brain torturing them. Same for physically sick people. Especially since Euthanasia is often more thought of as help for terminally ill, and not assisted suicide (though I am in favour of that as well).

I'm pro-euthanasia as long as the pain is physical or inescapable. But very specific circumstances would be needed for me to support assisted suicide.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
A horrific life can easily be turned into an enjoyable one, it's all up to the individual.

I'm sure rape victims would love to hear about how they should have just enjoyed it.

For it.

If someone lie dieing in a bed with no hope for recovery they should be allowed to die instead of suffer.

Originally posted by KidRock
For it.

If someone lie dieing in a bed with no hope for recovery they should be allowed to die instead of suffer.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
What ever their wishes are.

Yeah, I think a family and the hospital should honor whatever they want to do.

Originally posted by KidRock
Yeah, I think a family and the hospital should honor whatever they want to do.

So if your dying Grandfather asked you to give him a rim-job as his final wish, you'd honor it?

Originally posted by KidRock
Yeah, I think a family and the hospital should honor whatever they want to do.

did it for my grandmother

Originally posted by Robtard
So if your dying Grandfather asked you to give him a rim-job as his final wish, you'd honor it?

Robtard, you're an idiot

You deserve the 'Granddaughter of the Year' award.

Originally posted by Robtard
You deserve the 'Granddaughter of the Year' award.

Originally posted by Robtard
So if your dying Grandfather asked you to give him a rim-job as his final wish, you'd honor it?

Originally posted by Deja~vu
✅

did it for my grandmother

..."lol".

Originally posted by Bardock42
..."lol".

Can't we put people out of suffering without death?

Originally posted by lord xyz
Can't we put people out of suffering without death?