Re: For or Against Euthanasia
Originally posted by Julie
I'm sure this is a much discussed topic, but I wanted to see if opinions have changed and take a poll of current opinions.and if you take I don't know I'd say you ought to think about the issue anyway.
On dogs or people?
Either way I'm for it.
Get busy living or busy dying, there's no in between. If you truly want to die you will take your own life, and it ain't gonna as pleasant as being euthanized.
Originally posted by Clovie
And should we treat people after suicide attempts? It's their decision after all.
I know that couldn't have been serious but since people actually make this argument, I'll bite:
the short answer is that if the individual is mentally sound, he gets to choose whatever the **** he damn wants for his own life or death. otherwise, someone else has to make choices for them and, in those situations, treating them and keeping them alive against their will is a-ok.
the long answer is that sane people who want to die because they have no dignity, quality of life or perspective of cure are not the same as severely depressed or otherwise unbalanced individuals who try to kill themselves and regret later as most unsuccessful suicidals do. psychological/psychiatric evaluation can easily determine the difference. Assuming no sane person could want to die and equating those who want euthanasia with the mentally ill is quite condescending.
Originally posted by Archaeopteryx
So people should have to suffer to the bitter end, no matter their condition?
hipothetical situation:
you're a doctor, you agree to euthanasia of your patient. a week later the cure to their disease is discovered. and miracles do happen. so you never know.
Originally posted by dadudemon
People in pain or no longer wanting to live upsets me so you should all have to conform to my feelings: kill em!
Originally posted by Clovie
and people shouldn't suffer to the bitter end. they should be treated in the best way possible, to allow them to live with as most dignity as possible according to their state.hipothetical situation:
you're a doctor, you agree to euthanasia of your patient. a week later the cure to their disease is discovered. and miracles do happen. so you never know.
Originally posted by Clovie
and people shouldn't suffer to the bitter end. they should be treated in the best way possible, to allow them to live with as most dignity as possible according to their state.hipothetical situation:
you're a doctor, you agree to euthanasia of your patient. a week later the cure to their disease is discovered. and miracles do happen. so you never know.
Hypothetical: You are a doctor, you disagree with euthanasia, one week later their disease mutates, they are now immortal but in constant, unbearable pain...forever.
You never know.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
The key difference is that forcing someone to live is forcing someone to live, whereas allowing them to die isn't forcing them to do anything. The two situations are incomparable.So we keep terminal cancer patients who request euthanasia on life support against their will on the off chance that cancer will be cured next Tuesday? That's completely logical and ethical.
allowing someone to die in a natural way is not euthanasia.
giving them drugs to "end the suffering" is. 🤨
you don't see the difference?
@Marius.
when it mutated once, it can again. and if they are immortal, they can still be cured in some distant future.
Originally posted by Clovie
and people shouldn't suffer to the bitter end. they should be treated in the best way possible, to allow them to live with as most dignity as possible according to their state.
I agree, if that is their choice. Though you have to remember there's some ailments and conditions where nothing can be done to allieviate suffering. In the advanced stages of cancer nothing works.
hipothetical situation:
you're a doctor, you agree to euthanasia of your patient. a week later the cure to their disease is discovered. and miracles do happen. so you never know.
The odds are usually against that, by a HUGE margin
Clovie's hypotheticals are ridiculous.
Originally posted by Clovie
you don't put contious patients on life support against their will 😑 fully countious patients usually don't need much life support anyway.allowing someone to die in a natural way is not euthanasia.
giving them drugs to "end the suffering" is. 🤨
you don't see the difference?
Life support isn't just for coma patients, you know. There are any number of respiratory problems that wouldn't render a patient unconscious but would require life support.
I do see the difference, but I didn't clarify my statement well enough. I should have said "allowing them to die OR helping them to escape their misery."
right, sorry for spelling.
but you can't put conscious patient on respiratory device. [i have no idea how are those machines called in english]. Because the machine is working against their will. and the tube is causing some reflexes (?)...... and so those patients are usually in the pharmacological coma.
and you don't put terminally ill patients through that.
Originally posted by Clovieif as much dignity as possible in their state isn't good enough for them, it is their choice whether to live or die, their and no one else's.
and people shouldn't suffer to the bitter end. they should be treated in the best way possible, to allow them to live with as most dignity as possible according to their state.
Originally posted by Clovie
right, sorry for spelling.but you can't put conscious patient on respiratory device. [i have no idea how are those machines called in english]. Because the machine is working against their will. and the tube is causing some reflexes (?)...... and so those patients are usually in the pharmacological coma.
and you don't put terminally ill patients through that.
Originally posted by 753well if it's successful nothing can be done but you can get in trouble if you get caught attempting it and it isn't successful. Not necessarily jail time but a buddy of mine decided to do it and took a bottle of sleeping pills. He changed his mind and called 911. He was billed $10,000 and I believe court ordered to go to therapy sessions. That was going light on him because he "willfully changed his mind"
suicide usually isnt against the law, but helping kill themselves is.