Originally posted by Quark_666
The universe without God?
What? Theists don't say the universe can't be eternal because nothing can be eternal. They say the universe isn't eternal because modern cosmology says the universe isn't eternal.
Originally posted by King Castle
it is the infinite regress thing where we keep going back in a giant circle.If God is real you would have to ask what was before him before he became the Great I Am.
Not quite. You would only have to ask what was before Him if He had a beginning. God did not begin to exist, and thus there was nothing before Him since He has always existed.
Originally posted by TacDaveyModern cosmology says matter didn't come in neat little atomic packages and it wasn't extended into the storm of galaxies that it is today. The universe has always existed, and theists didn't ask cosmology before they became theists.
What? Theists don't say the universe can't be eternal because nothing can be eternal. They say the universe isn't eternal because modern cosmology says the universe isn't eternal.
EDIT: before they said the universe must have been created by intelligent design.
Originally posted by Quark_666His uniqueness in the universe is that he is omnipotent.
Uniqueness is fantastic, but it doesn't explain what makes God more eternal than the universe.
That all the explanation you will get, and in this case, all you will need. That is how it can be said that God doesn't need a creator, but the universe does. The affirmation of the first statement does not disallow the other.
Originally posted by Quark_666You're leaving out part of the post.
This thread is working under the assumption that God was created. The question, "who created the Tooth Fairy" doesn't assume the tooth fairy exists.
If it were, "Who created the Tooth Fairy if the Tooth Fairy created us", it presumes that the Tooth Fairy exists since we obviously exist.