cause menkind is not made to be correct
and don't think that they are ALL male... yeah, compared there are much more men doing that... but there is no connection between the percentage and being male, women can perhaps hide their collection of porn better... or guys are too ashamed to admit they are raped?
Originally posted by misha
oh come on thats just too stupid!99% of those assholes are male and you know it!
I don't complain about seeing naked guys or girls in movies. Girls because they're girls and guys because well...why should I complain? I'm not gonna sit there staring at the guy's pieces am I? Guys who are tempted to look are the first ones to complain I've tended to find.
The reason why "Girls" don't complain about naked girls in movies is because from my estimation there are far more females who appreciate the female form than guys who appreciate the guy form.
I'm secure enough in my masculinity to see what women would find attractive about certain guys but I don't squirm at the sight of a naked guy coz I neither find them attractive nor am I insecure.
-AC
There definitely is an overt display of female bodies in movies/television/advertisements...but recently, the imbalance is being "corrected," as men are persuaded to be insecure and body-conscious, and women to consider an object as somehow more obtainable/desirable than an equal being...
I'm loving it, but trying to resist the reprogramming/redirection of my values.
Try Sex and the City. LOL. The men are always naked, and the camera cuts discreetly from most of the women, popping to a scene of them slipping into a negligee/robe. Of course, Samantha ALWAYS displays her breasts (love the one where she is in the exam room with the robe intentionally reversed so the opening is down the front).
All hail Samantha.
Re: Double Standard
Originally posted by silver_tearsNot to mention about men, complaining that movies with guys half naked are gross and disgusting, while females don't complain about movies with girls running around in bikinis?
since the beginning of film making (and photography. and painting. and sculpturing. and everything else) women have been the object for the male eye. thus she's been forced into some male idea of what is pleasant to the eye et voila! the half naked, gorgeous looking female movie star was born.
women are now so used to being depicted everywhere, on posters, in films, in art, in commercials, etc. etc., being naked and beautiful that it's become an integrated part of everyday life. men find role models in other men doing sports, politics, killing. women find them in Barbie an claudia schiffer. now suddenly more women go to the cinema and therefore more naked men start appearing. the male eye aren't used to that. so it complains.
about the raping: yes, men fall victims to rapes too. but that doesn't change the fact that the rapist will always be male too. women just aren't equipped to do rapes. they can do other nasty stuff, yes, but never rape.
I'm sorry Line but I heavily disagree with you.
About the first part, there are plenty of statues in ancient greece that depict nude and semi-nude males, so you can say that men has been an object for males/females eyes too. But in the middle ages that idea changed due to war; plague; etc. and artists focused back on females, preferably fat ones to express their hope for a better time. So it's more of a history/culture thing then just simply seeing someone as an object. (that is what I understand from your post, please correct me if I'm mistaken?)
secondly... there ARE female rapists, you are very wrong about this. A simply google-search brought this article up from BBC News (UK):
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1319211.stm
There is even a book available by Moira Lines called "Victim of a female rapist".
This of course doesn't take away that it's a "men's job" sort of speak but that it's not only by men either.
There is NO denying, that there are more half-naked women on TV, in films and commercials than there are men.
Heck, women in bikinis are used to sell everything from cars to cornflakes (well, okay maybe not the latter).
Let’s stick to GENERALIZATIONS… The “Most men” and “most women”, and leave out the rare exceptions here. There is a new type of man, the metero-sexual man, who’s straight, but does as much about his appearance as the next woman, but they’re hard to get on camera…
I once read that sexually men are more visual than women. GENERALLY. If you want to turn a guy on, arrive naked. If a guy does that, most women/girls/females will start to laugh. We want poetry, caresses, gifts, roses… ehrm… appreciation… hmm… love-letters… etc.etc.etc.
NOT that the male body is NOT worth looking at – ON the contrary (if it’s a nice one). But we women/girls are just now learning to appreciate it as an “offer” on our “sexual menu-card.” It’s about expanding what we see as “an offer” (if you girls and gals catch my drift).
As soon as women become independent and start having their own money, and deciding for themselves what to buy, the market will change accordingly.
As for porn – again, it’s about being visual or not. As MOST men are more visual than MOST women they’re a market for this. As soon as women learn that it, too, is an “offer” to them, well, then I’m sure women will like it just as much as men…
Yerssot> And in the above context... I find it hard to figure how a woman can rape a man... I mean, if he's not "In the mood" isn't it difficult?? But I'll not deny that it can happen... It's just RARE...
Originally posted by The Omega
Yerssot> And in the above context... I find it hard to figure how a woman can rape a man... I mean, if he's not "In the mood" isn't it difficult?? But I'll not deny that it can happen... It's just RARE...
Agreed very much.
Men will always be rapists - im not trying to be descriminative, but thats a fact - as you said i cannot see how a woman can rape a man. If you are talking about older women raping boys - thats child sexual abuse and although its appaling it is different.
Same goes for domestic violence - 99% of victims of domestic violence are women and children - there are men who are the victims of domestic violence, but that number is so small that it isnt even recorded.
Lil> Have you read Yerssot's link?
The teen-age girl convicted of rape was part of a GANG that raped a 37-year old woman - The gang included boys. So she didn't do it on her own...
(However – the article shows it does happen. Teen-age girls are generally becoming more violent these days. We’ve had it on the news about all-girl gangs getting in fights, robbing people etc.)
Men that get abused by women don't get fair treatment.
Look at Liza Minellie. She beat her husband to the point of permanent physical damage. And just recently one of her driver's had reported similar physical abuse claims against her.
Is she in jail? no. Did she get arrested? no.
Women get special treatment because they are women. Go ahead...disagree and refute it all you want. It's a fact, women get away with things men can't.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Agreed very much.Men will always be rapists - im not trying to be descriminative, but thats a fact - as you said i cannot see how a woman can rape a man.
So If a woman forces a man to engage in sexual activity, even tho its not penetrative sex, its not rape?
Further than that - If a woman forces a man to engage in sexual activity against his will and he becomes hard and she uses it, its not rape?
Your point seems to be, if its not ****ing its not rape, and a woman cant **** a man against his will because he wouldnt be hard.
So - by the same logic - if a woman is being raped and she gets lubricated - its no longer rape.
Much as I respect both you and Omega, you are both way off.
Originally posted by Mr Zero
So If a woman forces a man to engage in sexual activity, even tho its not penetrative sex, its not rape?Further than that - If a woman forces a man to engage in sexual activity against his will and he becomes hard and she uses it, its not rape?
Your point seems to be, if its not ****ing its not rape, and a woman cant **** a man against his will because he wouldnt be hard.
So - by the same logic - if a woman is being raped and she gets lubricated - its no longer rape.
Much as I respect both you and Omega, you are both way off.
And how can a woman 'force' a man into having sex? A man CAN force a woman into having it with or without lubrication.
However you put it - the rape can never be the same - man raping a woman and a supposed woman raping a man can never have the same effect - and i dont think we are way off..im the one claiming it - The Omega clearly stated she doesnt deny it.