I know 😊
Why should i learn about the first 'great war' which could and should have been avoided?
Why learn about the second world war, which should have also been stopped, and would have been if not for appeasement and over-harshness on Germany after ww1, when i can learn nothing and still get a job in the amry who will be snapping up recruits by the thousands every day because of another war that could and should have been avoided.
Ok, I know what happened there, could they knock the buildings down and maybe have a stone with the markings on? An attractive bench?
I dont know about you but i dont like seeing buildings in which people died in, theres one across my street and i hate it being there, and that was just one person. This is thousands of people dying as a result of hate....unfounded hate. Praise them by removing the buildings built by their tormentors to imprison them
Originally posted by The Inkeeper
I know 😊Why should i learn about the first 'great war' which could and should have been avoided?
Why learn about the second world war, which should have also been stopped, and would have been if not for appeasement and over-harshness on Germany after ww1, when i can learn nothing and still get a job in the amry who will be snapping up recruits by the thousands every day because of another war that could and should have been avoided.
Gerda Lerner
Admittedly, although ive heard of Auschwitz I couldnt for the life of me name another concentration camp. But i guess you cant expect people to remember names etc. As long as they know what went on and the basics i dont think the names of specific concentration camps is all that important to everyone. However I was initially shocked that only 40 sumthing % was it? knew Auschwitz was a concentration camp.
"Why should i learn about the first 'great war' which could and should have been avoided?"
Sorry to be off-topically picky- though the overal theme of this thread is historical ignorance so it is ok- but what exactly do you mean by this? Strikes me that that war could only have been avoided if everyone suddenly decided to be really nice to each other. Not as if it began due to some terrible avoidable mistake or anything. It is one of the most historically inevitable wars ever seen.
Originally posted by The Inkeeper
when a map is named, and they are looking in the wrong part of the world?
It is an old amusement to point out such geographical ignorance, along with the old lines like "Scotland... isn't that part of London?" and so on, but how directly can you show a study which shows this? Fact is most Americans know that Iraq is in the 'Middle-East' and it gets rather more fuzzy from there. But that is true for most average people.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
"Why should i learn about the first 'great war' which could and should have been avoided?"Sorry to be off-topically picky- though the overal theme of this thread is historical ignorance so it is ok- but what exactly do you mean by this? Strikes me that that war could only have been avoided if everyone suddenly decided to be really nice to each other. Not as if it began due to some terrible avoidable mistake or anything. It is one of the most historically inevitable wars ever seen.
No, A war was inevitable, a war of that scale could easily have been avoided. Blame the aliiance system.
Ok, austria wants an apology from serbia, they dont get it theres a war. There had been wars in that area for years beforehand and serbia had come out as the most powerful and austria didnt like this, they wanted some form of excuse to crush serbia, they got it that day in sarajevo.
Did Russia need to say they would get involved?
did Germany need to say they would get involved? Did germany need to attack France for no reason other than the Kaiser's resentment at Germany's defeat in some war in the 1870s?
Was the naval race necessary?
Originally posted by Ushgarak😬
Bully for you. Most people still would.Most people couldn't assemble a map of even the nations of Europe alone. I sure as hell couldn't. As soon as you get out past Poland and down into the Balkans most people west of Berlin get totally lost.
so you mean poland is easy to be located? 🤨
Originally posted by The Inkeeperyou really think that the assation on that prince was the reason of war? 😑
No, A war was inevitable, a war of that scale could easily have been avoided. Blame the aliiance system.Ok, austria wants an apology from serbia, they dont get it theres a war. There had been wars in that area for years beforehand and serbia had come out as the most powerful and austria didnt like this, they wanted some form of excuse to crush serbia, they got it that day in sarajevo.
Did Russia need to say they would get involved?
did Germany need to say they would get involved? Did germany need to attack France for no reason other than the Kaiser's resentment at Germany's defeat in some war in the 1870s?
Was the naval race necessary?
Originally posted by The Inkeeper
No, A war was inevitable, a war of that scale could easily have been avoided. Blame the aliiance system.Ok, austria wants an apology from serbia, they dont get it theres a war. There had been wars in that area for years beforehand and serbia had come out as the most powerful and austria didnt like this, they wanted some form of excuse to crush serbia, they got it that day in sarajevo.
Did Russia need to say they would get involved?
did Germany need to say they would get involved? Did germany need to attack France for no reason other than the Kaiser's resentment at Germany's defeat in some war in the 1870s?
Was the naval race necessary?
Let me see... pretty much, pretty much, pretty much and in context, most probably.
Your analysis of that is pretty basic but these are all problems stretching back a hundred years or more before the war started. Your use of the term 'avoidable', therefore is, as I say, coming down to "there needn't have been a war if everyone was always nice to each other."
Unlike WWII, where we can decidedly point a things and say "There... we could have stopped it happening there." Even that is debatable but there is a point to it.
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Clovie, yes, of course; it is just the other side of Germany. History is very clear on that point so people are more likely to know it.
Originally posted by The Inkeeper
Why should i learn about the first 'great war' which could and should have been avoided?
Why learn about the second world war, which should have also been stopped, and would have been if not for appeasement and over-harshness on Germany after ww1, when i can learn nothing and still get a job in the amry who will be snapping up recruits by the thousands every day because of another war that could and should have been avoided.
cry right, but things like this can't be avoided with people being pissed for almost no reason, with the wrong people at power and...and... well and everything... that's the point, where you can search for everything that is wrong in the world, you find so many things that you get angry.... and when you realize you can't do ANYTHING about them, although you wish you had the power to....it's not enough and you're too stuck up in your prosperity to give away your life to the fight against all of that and you can't decide which you feel worst about, so you curl up in your bed feeling sorry for all of them and yourself, that you can't do anything.... and wish you were dead
weep
sorta like that 😐
Originally posted by Storm
We can learn from history how past generations thought and acted, how they responded to the demands of their time and how they solved their problems. We can learn by analogy, not by example, for our circumstances will always be different than theirs were. The main thing history can teach us is that human actions have consequences and that certain choices, once made, cannot be undone. They foreclose the possibility of making other choices and thus they determine future events.Gerda Lerner
That is a great statement Storm. I absolutely agree.
The Inkeeper> "No, A war was inevitable, a war of that scale could easily have been avoided. Blame the aliiance system."
Too many nations wanted more land and there were too many ethnic differences. Do you really see that the war could have been avoided?
Originally posted by The Inkeeper
The Archduke- Its not the reason the war started, a war was coming, but if everybody hadnt been itching for it, then perhaps it could have been avoided instead of everybody waiting for the first conflict to come along and placing their bets and casting their votes
As if anyone seriously needed that first statement as clarification!
It was politically unstoppable.