This Can't be Possible!

Originally posted by Ushgarak
As if anyone seriously needed that first statement as clarification!

Clovie asked if i thought the reason for war was that, i said no, i do believe that that needed to be clarified, did you even read what i was replying to?

Well... people are hardly going to argue that, are they? No-one is going to say "war is a good way to solve things". But that's not really the point; whether a war could have been avoided or nor is a different deal.

i think every war can be avoided and should've been avoided.... a war only means involving more people in a difference of opinions than were necessary....
people that didn't want to be involved in the first place

Originally posted by The Inkeeper
Clovie asked if i thought the reason for war was that, i said no, i do believe that that needed to be clarified, did you even read what i was replying to?

Yes I did. I thought that statement of Clovie's in itself took care of the matter.

I was just distancing myself from the idea that i believe the assasination was the whole reason for war, as its simply untrue.

N-S: I dont think all wars could have been avoided, some had to be fought.

I think with the comment of most Americans being unable to pick out Iraq on a map, it was meant that the map was labeled...and I've heard that before, too. And I'm really not surprised, being as the average American doesn't even know the names of all 50 states. I'm no history buff, and quite frankly I suck at geography, but I could probably locate most, if not all, countries in Western Europe. East of Poland and I'm pretty lost, though...though we're off that point, now, aren't we.

WWI was pretty much inevitable...WWII on the other hand could likely have been curtailed early had the other countries not appeased Hitler. It could also had been avoided if Hitler wasn't elected Chancellor...or if the rest of Europe and the US hadn't placed the blame for WWI on Germany and forced them to pay war reparations and totally plunged their economy into a huge depression...in other words, had WWI not been the magnitude that it was, WWII probably wouldn't have happened. But on the other hand, maybe it still would have. We'll never know what would have happened had one event taken place differently.

But all this stuff is in the past, so why do we bother learning about it, discussing it? So we can learn from the past, see what past mistakes were made, and try to not make them again. If another world war were to break out in this day, it would be more catastrophic than most people could imagine, due to the weapons available...how many countries have nuclear weapons? The last thing we need or want is nuclear war.

(and just a note...it's been 2 years since I've had any sort of history class so my knowledge of WWI and WWII is a bit rusty)

Originally posted by The Inkeeper
N-S: I dont think all wars could have been avoided, some had to be fought.

god, don't call me N-S.... please, that could be taken in a very wrong way 😖
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well, for what were they fought? mostly for hate, for the idea of owning country....
i know, wars had been fought since...yea...i guess you can say forever here.... but still for what? it's normal to have arguments....
but when someone or a couple of people have enough power and land to fight a "war" than that isn't normal at all....
it's not normal for humans to have responsibility for so many lifes....to have that sort of power
why are there arguments of ENTIRE countries? that can't be, it's always just a couple of people or the "pride for a country".... why, it's just one place on the earth they are living.... i feel no pride whatsoever for my country.... (germany - btw)
what was my point? argh, i don't care I'm going to bed!

sorry, it's late and i can't think so clearly now, so i probably screwed up a few of those sentences.... i guess, i didn't make so much sense.... 😬 perhaps tomorrow... ah, crap it is tomorrow

night 😖

That makes me sad and mad my grandfather dead in one of those death camps!How could they say something like that.JM

what the hell's a nazi? 😕

what the hell's a nazi?

I think WWII was both good and bad--bad because of the Holocaust and the murdering and death, but good because it pulled the U.S. out of the Great Depression and made us a world power.

I'm sure he is FeceMan. Let's take things lightly here. 😉

Anyways, as I mention this isn't to criticize anyone is just to obseve that History can't be misintrepet if it isn't told correctly. Of course this doesn't mean everyone should memorize tons of volumes of books on WWII (I would cuz I love books), but instead be more acquainted with the symbols of WWII. And Auschwitz is one of them.

Originally posted by Silver Stardust
I'm not too surprised...and I bet that there's a lot of Americans who don't know what Auschwitz or Dachau or Bergen-Belsen or Buchenwald were, despite the fact that history classes here do focus more on the Holocaust than actual battles. Hell, when I had US History we did a HUGE unit on WWII and hardly learned anything more than the causes of the war, the Holocaust, Pearl Harbor, and dropping the bombs on Japan. Frankly, I learned more in my German class than in US and World History together.

And if we want to talk about clueless people...I read somewhere that about half of Americans don't know that Canada is a seperate country 😖 don't have a source for that, so it's probably not too accurate, but still...the average person is woefully clueless about the world around them. And it's quite sad.

I've heard on all of those places....On the other hand, we read Night in school, and studied WWII over 4 months. As for Salamanca, Talavera, Vitoria, Badajoz, Ciudad Rodrigo, Almieda, Fuentes de Onoro, the Corunna Retreat, Waterloo, and Trafalger, I've heard of 'em all, and I'm American. On the other hand, I know Bernard Cornwell and have read all his books....

This absolutely DOESN'T shock me.
Historical facts are pretty unknown to most kids and teenagers these days because History has the name of being boring and redundant. (do blaim the teachers for this!)

I agree with that...

I can say without a doubt that I was bored mindless in history class. But when the teacher does nothing but present endless notes...AND speaks in a monotone...what can you expect? I'm amazed I didn't sleep all class, and that I actually learned anything!

funny, I was bored mindless in every class 😉

well, if he does that, no doubt that no matter what the subject is, it would be dull as hell... but if you got a good teacher that knows what (s)he is talking about, it can be fun 😄

Originally posted by yerssot
This absolutely DOESN'T shock me.
Historical facts are pretty unknown to most kids and teenagers these days because History has the name of being boring and redundant. (do blaim the teachers for this!)

But thats why we need to know about this type of stuff. History is one of the most important subjects there is. Because its repeats itself. Someone who doesnt understand history, doesnt see when something is coming. Hitler is a perfect example. He didnt realize that he was parallel the Napoleon when he was marching into Russia. If people dont know history, this world will decend into chaos.

Not that it already hasnt.

Good teachers can make almost any class interesting, especially history. For most people, though, history isn't relevant unless its something directly involved with their past.

That bit about Iraq is crap. That's an updated version of a remark from the Vietnam War era.......

you don't have to preach to me about history Dwarfdude 😉

Originally posted by Dwarfdude
But thats why we need to know about this type of stuff. History is one of the most important subjects there is. Because its repeats itself. Someone who doesnt understand history, doesnt see when something is coming. Hitler is a perfect example. He didnt realize that he was parallel the Napoleon when he was marching into Russia. If people dont know history, this world will decend into chaos.

Not that it already hasnt.

Perhaps Hitler was familiar with history and thus marched into Russia knowing what he was doing? Often leaders of today take solis in the mistakes of past leaders and try not to make the same mistakes while following in their footsteps. Eventually someone will get it right.

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Originally posted by yerssot
you don't have to preach to me about history Dwarfdude 😉

I know, I was using your post as back up.

Perhaps Hitler was familiar with history and thus marched into Russia knowing what he was doing? Often leaders of today take solis in the mistakes of past leaders and try not to make the same mistakes while following in their footsteps. Eventually someone will get it right.

As the old saying goes, Russia has two extra generals, January and Febuary.