Palpatine, however he was introduced to the force, managed to cloud the entire light side, allowing him to forsee everything. His powers are beyond measure. And they come from the heart of the darkside, no one and I mean no one could ever turn him to the lightside.
The only reason Anakin turned back because he wanted to save his son, and Anakin's downfall was always letting his personal feelings get in the way.
Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
Now see Palpatine cant have been forever evil as apparently he is human native of Naboo, and somehow I doubt he was born this evil. And what I wonder caused him to turn to the dark side?
Found by the Sith of course! The Sith corrupt everything and everyone.
But no, Palpatine could never be turned back. What Ush just said is true for the entire Star Wars universe. Vader/Anakin was an exception because the movies are ALL about him.
Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
So if you accept that then was he already with the dark side we we first see him in TPM?
Did u mean: "So if you accept that then was he already with the dark side WHEN we first saw him in TPM?" JP?
If u did then I can't understand why u asks, of course he was with the Dark Side in TPM. We saw that Sideous was there so that's proof enough (if u ain't one of those who says that Palps is not Sideous).
Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
No, no at the very beginning he was still a Senator from Naboo. Was he a Sith even then?
Of course he was a sith already then. He had to been training Maul for years (as tpaquin said), and remember that the whole blockade was his and we didn't see him prior to the blockade.
Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
Ok I accept that, argh, having a difficult time making my point.........what I am getting at is WHEN did Palpatine turn to the darkside? Surely he wasnt born that way?
I refer you back to my original post in this thread. This is my 2 cents anyways...
The only person who could turn him back would have to be someone, from his past for whom he cared for very much, for whom he probably lost in a horrific situation, prolly caused by the Jedi. Then he finds out about the Sith and the rest is history. why he wanted revenge against the Jedi.
I very much doubt that Palpatine could be converted back to the light side. I think the whole point, as stated above, was that you cannot come back from the dark side, and that the only reason Anakin did is because he was the Chosen One, the prophecy had to be fulfilled, the will of the Force was behind him, and his love for Luke was too big as was his original feelings and his good intentions. I think Palpatine's character is meant to be so evil that there is no person in the galaxy that is more evil than him, therefore he would never want to turn back even if he could be saved.
Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
Ok I accept that, argh, having a difficult time making my point.........what I am getting at is WHEN did Palpatine turn to the darkside? Surely he wasnt born that way?
Finally, a thread WORTH discussing!!!
As far as being born evil or not, I think each individual answer will reflect each individual's view on humanity. Some believe in original sin, others dont. I personally dont. I think Palps was probably born and raised (for a while) with normal human attributes (compassion, love, empathy, etc...). His own personal knowledge of such things would only serve him better as a darkside follower. I mean, you dont expect a priest to understand what its like to cheat on your wife do you? Its much more logical to ask a man who's 'been there done that' about such things. That's why Palps is so good at turning people. He understands their conflict and twists it to be used for his own personal gain. As to when exactly he turned, my guess would be adolesence. Isn't that when most of us get in trouble? You have no real fix on your values, beliefs, pasions & prejudices. It makes one extremely vulnerable to dark forces (exuse the pun). Just look at Anakin. He was a great kid & turned into a whiny teenager convinced that nooone understood him and eventually is turned. And the only one he felt did 'get' him, Palps. How convienient. I have no doubt that a different Sith Lord was waiting in the wings ready to turn Palps in much the same way. And yes, he was DEFINITELY already evil by TPM......
Oh, and I think Palps Could be turned, I just dont think he WANTS to be...big difference.
Originally posted by bilbofett
Finally, a thread WORTH discussing!!!As far as being born evil or not, I think each individual answer will reflect each individual's view on humanity. Some believe in original sin, others dont. I personally dont. I think Palps was probably born and raised (for a while) with normal human attributes (compassion, love, empathy, etc...). His own personal knowledge of such things would only serve him better as a darkside follower. I mean, you dont expect a priest to understand what its like to cheat on your wife do you? Its much more logical to ask a man who's 'been there done that' about such things. That's why Palps is so good at turning people. He understands their conflict and twists it to be used for his own personal gain. As to when exactly he turned, my guess would be adolesence. Isn't that when most of us get in trouble? You have no real fix on your values, beliefs, pasions & prejudices. It makes one extremely vulnerable to dark forces (exuse the pun). Just look at Anakin. He was a great kid & turned into a whiny teenager convinced that nooone understood him and eventually is turned. And the only one he felt did 'get' him, Palps. How convienient. I have no doubt that a different Sith Lord was waiting in the wings ready to turn Palps in much the same way. And yes, he was DEFINITELY already evil by TPM......
Oh, and I think Palps Could be turned, I just dont think he WANTS to be...big difference.
I don't think we have a thread anymore, I think you pretty much shut the book with that one lol