Cyclops vs. Spider-man

Originally posted by who?-kid

And Spider-Man dodges with ease. He's famous for dodging. He has dodged - without breaking a sweat - multiple laser attacks, sometimes even with gunfire at the same time to make it more interesting.

Nope, he can't dodge forever. True. But he doesn't need to. It's not like Cyclops is going to play with Spider-Man, it's the other way around: while dodging, Spider-Man jumps to Cyclops and knocks him down. Or webs his eyes, which will confuse Cyclops only for a very short time, but that's more than enough for Spider-Man.

Well, you're right. But don't forget, Cyke is an extremely well trained hero. This whole time (actually, a while ago, I've stopped now) I've been saying that SM won't get at Cyke for a phys. attack. Oce he gets close, he gets beamed. SM would have to stay at bay. The closer he is, the harder it is to dodge. Web-eyes does nothing. Scott's blast would evaporate it before it could hit him at al, I just realised. I doubt if he would be confused at all. His training is too heavy to allow him to lose his head in battle.

Or he can use his web to throw Cyclops a few hundred yards away lol. He has lots of possibilities. Cyclops only has one: hit Spider-Man. And hitting Spider-Man is very tough to do.

Spidey only really has 2 possibilities. The ol' bonk 'im on the head trick. Won't work. Or the Swing him by his leg trick.
I don't think that that's a factor either. The web moves fast, I know, but I think the split second it takes to get from PP to his leg, and the split second it takes for PP to start pulling, Scott has blown up the webbing and is already attacking again.

Spider-Man has been described as being "blurring fast when he wants to", that's just too fast for Cyclops.

And yes, Cyclops is cool and yes, he is way underrated, but Spider-Man is in another league. [/B]

I actually really dislike Scott. lol
ps. please don't stop arguing. The two other threads I'm in are being clogged up by morons with no arguements. just Thanos would win. Thanos would lose... So keep it up 😉 I think you're wrong, but you are bringing decent/good arguements to the table. THNX

Originally posted by who?-kid

And Spider-Man dodges with ease. He's famous for dodging. He has dodged - without breaking a sweat - multiple laser attacks, sometimes even with gunfire at the same time to make it more interesting.

Nope, he can't dodge forever. True. But he doesn't need to. It's not like Cyclops is going to play with Spider-Man, it's the other way around: while dodging, Spider-Man jumps to Cyclops and knocks him down. Or webs his eyes, which will confuse Cyclops only for a very short time, but that's more than enough for Spider-Man.

Or he can use his web to throw Cyclops a few hundred yards away lol. He has lots of possibilities. Cyclops only has one: hit Spider-Man. And hitting Spider-Man is very tough to do.

Spider-Man has been described as being "blurring fast when he wants to", that's just too fast for Cyclops.

And yes, Cyclops is cool and yes, he is way underrated, but Spider-Man is in another league. [/B]

Well, you're right. But don't forget, Cyke is an extremely well trained hero. This whole time (actually, a while ago, I've stopped now) I've been saying that SM won't get at Cyke for a phys. attack. Oce he gets close, he gets beamed. SM would have to stay at bay. The closer he is, the harder it is to dodge. Web-eyes does nothing. Scott's blast would evaporate it before it could hit him at al, I just realised. I doubt if he would be confused at all. His training is too heavy to allow him to lose his head in battle.
Spidey only really has 2 possibilities. The ol' bonk 'im on the head trick. Won't work. Or the Swing him by his leg trick.
I don't think that that's a factor either. The web moves fast, I know, but I think the split second it takes to get from PP to his leg, and the split second it takes for PP to start pulling, Scott has blown up the webbing and is already attacking again.

I actually really dislike Scott. lol
ps. please don't stop arguing. The two other threads I'm in are being clogged up by morons with no arguements. just Thanos would win. Thanos would lose... So keep it up 😉 I think you're wrong, but you are bringing decent/good arguements to the table. THNX

no matter how much spidey wants to dodge he still can be kept track of with EYES. i dont deny that cycke is probabaly too slow to land a punch but like I said earlier all cyke has to do is just LOOK at him.

and as for the lasers thing. i admit that ive havent read every single issue of every single spidey issue ever, and maybe i missed a few thigns along the way but the only time ive seen him succesfully dodge lasers is when he sneaks into high security buildings and the lasers are motioned sensored, and have to charge for a frew secs after each blast(again i havent seen all of them). and when he dodged bullets and other energy weapon fire was beuasce those guys were bad shots to begin with, then of course his spidey sense always helps out.

that being said, even though we open our eyes pretty quickly, its still not even close to the speed of light. what that means is the beam is practically at its target before cycke opens his eyes all the way if he just takes his visor off and look at spidey its over. i know everyone is probaly thinking that he would just let go one blast at a time, but im talking about a continous stream until he hits spiey or let everything crumble around him and crush him.

Originally posted by manjaro
no matter how much spidey wants to dodge he still can be kept track of with EYES. i dont deny that cycke is probabaly too slow to land a punch but like I said earlier all cyke has to do is just LOOK at him.

there are so many times Spidey has fought lower than peak speed level humans and they couldn't keep an eye on him and would even lose sight of him altogether..... couple this with the fact that anytime Scott was about to get a direct line on him his spider-sense would scream "GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY!!" and he would... he can keep max speed up for long enough to take out Cyclops

O.k. Spider-man is really good and fast so he might stand a shot at reaching Cyke and kicking his butt.

Originally posted by jplatinum
O.k. Spider-man is really good and fast so he might stand a shot at reaching Cyke and kicking his butt.

If cyclops spreads his beam out into a huge funnel like he did in x-men evolution or in many other big battles, then spiderman is toast.

He wouldn't be fast enough to dodge a constant beam from a distance cause cyclops can just keep aiming the beam until it hit hit spiderman and from a distance, spiderman won't be able to get to him in time.

He might be able to web the visor, but the webbing would just evaporate in mid-air if the heat from an indirect beam blast came near it.
So spiderman is prettymuch toast.

Argue if you want to, but he is, unless his healing factor is like logan's or he is as invulneable as supes/hulk/juggs, which he isn't. He is as cooked as a goose at dinner time.

well Scoob that means that his spider-sense would scream "GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY!!" continually. i am not trying to jump on you or anything but none of those ppl have powerful force beams coming out of their freaking eyes.

i under stand what youre saying, that is if scott was a mutant who just discovered his powers or something, and secondly cyke is not lower than peak he is a highly trained warrior. its just like turning a hose on somebody where the water was coming out at the speed of light, no matter how fast they are they cant move faster than you can filck your wrist left to right.

also by that logic "Spidey has fought lower than peak speed level humans and they couldn't keep an eye on him" that means that guys like shocker, hob goblin, vulture, hammer head, doc ock, electro and scorpion should never have ever layed a hand on him......ever....ever.

when Electro blasted him up and left him the hospital that should have never happend. when shocker would go toe to toe with him and bang him up with those kinetic punches that should have never hapend when hammer head would head butt him into trash cans and such that should have never happened.

of course all those times doc ock left him reeling with bruised ribs and shit.....

by my count all of spideys villains save for hammer head and mysterio has put him in the hospital or left him reeling with aches and pains

Hey manjaro

I get what you're saying, but spiderman is hardly untouchable.
He leaves himself open to attack too many times and he underestimates any and everyone he fights straight off hand.
He also, lollygags around instead of taking care of business like batman or daredevil would do. To have the type of powers that he has. He should be a godlike character,but he doesn't know how to use his powers. If he stopped playing so much, trained hard, learned multiple styles of martial-arts, and learned how to use every single power he has to the upmost extreme max. He would be a lilterat god like everyone from the really old episodes of dbz.

Originally posted by jplatinum
Hey manjaro

I get what you're saying, but spiderman is hardly untouchable.
He leaves himself open to attack too many times and he underestimates any and everyone he fights straight off hand.
He also, lollygags around instead of taking care of business like batman or daredevil would do. To have the type of powers that he has. He should be a godlike character,but he doesn't know how to use his powers. If he stopped playing so much, trained hard, learned multiple styles of martial-arts, and learned how to use every single power he has to the upmost extreme max. He would be a lilterat god like everyone from the really old episodes of dbz.

Are you kidding? Spider-Man's body is mutated, and martial arts are gearred towards NORMAL human bodies, therefore learning every form of martial arts would in fact be a waste of his potential. Spider-Man has, in fact developed his own style of fighting, based on his powers, and so is utilising his powers to their fullest by doing that. He takes inspiration fom martial arts and converts it with his spider powers, which means that he has a style that no-one else can replicate, because it would be impossible for them to achieve such motions. This makes him dangerous to anyone for that reason alone. How can you fight against a style that has no background and no proper (and is some cases, possible) way of defending against it.

Spider-Man isn't as experienced a fighter as Daredevil, no, but his powers alone let him train at a level that allows Pete to catch up to normal humans and overtake them. His body recovers quicker, he is a super man, which the others are not. He trains faster as a result, and gets a moveset nobody else can have.

And even if Spider-Man trained to his utmost level (which I say he does), he still wouldn't be God-like.

i dont think the godlike statement should be taken quite so literally but point taken. however, i think you give him too much credit cuz his speed and agilty is what keeps him moving. he's just a really really fast and more physically potent version of a person in really good shape but spidey is a complete dum dum when it comes to the arts. in past and even current issues he has conceded to his lack of a formal figting style. like one time he was on a roof by himself and he said."hmm maybe i should listen to MJ and take some Karate lessons." that was when they started a new spidey series and his career just started. he said it also while he was having a hard time subduing a bunch of bad guys. (Amazing Spidey, Ultimate Spidey to my immediate recollection)

I don't know if this has been said already but a lot probably depends on the environment and distance of our two fighters. In an open field at a distance of 10 yards this would be scotts fight. In a city or wooded area spiderman takes it easily. Scott is smart and a great fighter. But spider has his own style of fighting that fits well with his ability. its all instinctive like a fighting style should be. So it would be very tough. 8 times out of 10 I say spiderman wins.

a wooded area would make it even worse. in a city i would give peter a snowball's chance, but in a wooded area cyke would have incentive to cut lose(refer to pic posted earlier) you saw what happened to the sentinel and the trees and shrubs

Originally posted by Lord-of-Dreams
Well, you're right. But don't forget, Cyke is an extremely well trained hero. This whole time (actually, a while ago, I've stopped now) I've been saying that SM won't get at Cyke for a phys. attack.

Remember Dock Ock ? A pretty stupid character imo, but still deadly as hell: four extremely fast, dangerous tentacles with claws, and I'm not beginning to count how many times SM squeezed through them and knocked Dock Ock out.

He never, or almost never, has much trouble coming near to an opponent. Scotts blast is not everywhere, in 90 % of his fights, it's some kind of red line. SM can dodge that all day long.

And when Scott goes berserk and unleashes his full power - which is a lot - I still don't see the problem: SM can jump very high and very very quick.

Once he gets close, he gets beamed. SM would have to stay at bay. The closer he is, the harder it is to dodge. Web-eyes does nothing. Scott's blast would evaporate it before it could hit him at al, I just realised.

I think the split second it takes to get from PP to his leg, and the split second it takes for PP to start pulling, Scott has blown up the webbing and is already attacking again.

I actually really dislike Scott. lol

ps. please don't stop arguing.

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Originally posted by Linkalicious
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i know... spidey aint dodgin that... that is of course if cyclops even uses it...

Originally posted by pr1983
i know... spidey aint dodgin that... that is of course if cyclops even uses it...

Second: impressive or not, give me one good reason why SM can't dodge/avoid an attack like that ? It isn't like his beams are EVERYWHERE, they go from point A to point B.

when scott drops the visor and let's loose, it's line of sight. his sight.
and his beam isn't as strong when it's unfocused by the visor.
scott could blast a hole through a sentinal with the visor on.
with it off, he blasts the sentinal back.
it is conceivable that spiderman can dodge this by jumping really fast
upwards towards scott. and if he did hit spidey with an unfocused
visor-less blast, it would hurt like hell, but spidey probably won't get
KO'd. spiderman is reknown for his jaw. he can take a punch. big time.

and yes, scott is usually under-estimated. i've always liked cyclops.
it's just that the wolverine fanboys wet their beds if logan isn't
the star of every goddamn issue.

Originally posted by who?-kid
First of all: very impressive of Cyclops. I always said he was underrated.

Second: impressive or not, give me one good reason why SM can't dodge/avoid an attack like that ? It isn't like his beams are EVERYWHERE, they go from point A to point B.

thats a massive radius, vertical and horizontal... only someone with super speed could dodge it...

and i cant see spidey getting up quickly after being hit like that...

Originally posted by pr1983
thats a massive radius, vertical and horizontal... only someone with super speed could dodge it...

The name Spider-Man crosses my mind...