Originally posted by pr1983
his spider sense will warn him of the beam, not cyclops' intention... and that beam is pretty quick...
But concerning the beam, it doesn't matter how fast it is, his spider-sense warns him before the actual attack takes place, so he has just (sometimes barely) enough time to jump out of the way.
Spider-Man can jump over a sentinel with ease. He can jump much higher by the way.
spidey is not a telepath... his spider sense doesn't go off until it knows for sure he's being attacked...
Originally posted by who?-kid
I have seen him jump over a six stories high building, but I don't think he can jump much higher.But one time a sentinel is not that big, and another time they are gigantic, so it depends of course on the type of sentinel.
i suppose it depends on the setting too... in a city that would help spidey, in a clearing not so much because cyclops could just tilt his head upwards...
Originally posted by who?-kid
I have seen him jump over a six stories high building, but I don't think he can jump much higher.But one time a sentinel is not that big, and another time they are gigantic, so it depends of course on the type of sentinel.
Dude. The super summer's blast is way larger than sixstories high. It hits clouds. But let's just say, for the purpose of arguement, that SM can even jump into space. Say he can fly! How fast is he goin'?? 'Cuz he would have to be moving at Supe's speed to dodge it!! And say he does jump up that high, that fast. He's just falling back down into the blast! If he jumps over Cyke, no prob. he just turns around.
Originally posted by Lord-of-Dreams
Dude. The super summer's blast is way larger than sixstories high. It hits clouds. But let's just say, for the purpose of arguement, that SM can even jump into space. Say he can fly! How fast is he goin'?? 'Cuz he would have to be moving at Supe's speed to dodge it!! And say he does jump up that high, that fast. He's just falling back down into the blast! If he jumps over Cyke, no prob. he just turns around.
That's plain wrong, in 98 % of the fights I saw him in, his beams are just pretty thin "lines" if you know what I mean.
I don't know how this idea came into peoples heads that Cyclops can, all of a sudden, hit everything in front him, far from him, close to him, left of him, right of him, left above, behind him and so on...all with the same beam ?!
That's just wrong.
And who says Spider-Man has to jump over his attacks ? How about jumping to the left ? To the right ? Ducking ? And since when does Scott give everything he has for a normal fight ?
Originally posted by Zahit
Can Cyclops actually see as he's firing the beams?
If he dropped his visor and kept firing, would he see through all that energy?
yes.
Originally posted by who?-kid
You make a big mistake, you assume Scotts beam is just about everywhere...That's plain wrong, in 98 % of the fights I saw him in, his beams are just pretty thin "lines" if you know what I mean.
I don't know how this idea came into peoples heads that Cyclops can, all of a sudden, hit everything in front him, far from him, close to him, left of him, right of him, left above, behind him and so on...all with the same beam ?!
That's just wrong.
And who says Spider-Man has to jump over his attacks ? How about jumping to the left ? To the right ? Ducking ? And since when does Scott give everything he has for a normal fight ?
read astonishing xmen #8...
with the visor on he holds back his blasts and they are the lines you speak of, because thats the visor...
when he opens his eyes without the visor the beam is massive...
dude six stories is a fancy way of saying sixty feet. thats what he can do vertically. the only reason cykes blasts have been thin lines is beacuse he has his visor on and seconldy the visor keeps his power in check so that he can focus wherever he wants i dont know where this his beam isn't as strong when it's unfocused by the visor thing came from. its not neat and uniform like that,(maybe in the cartoons) if you every see videos of solar flares on the dicovery channel thats what it looks like just a splash of energy in the direction he's looking.
again refering ppl back too the picture if it didnt affect everything in front of him and was in a thin line then the grass and the ground shoudlnt have been touched. the one thing that ppl fail to realize is that as long as his eyes are open energy is gonna come out. it doesnt stem from his pupils, just his eyes period. so even if he's looking in one direction it even focuses thru his peripheral vision that why the beam gets wider that farther it goes
Originally posted by manjaro
dude six stories is a fancy way of saying sixty feet. thats what he can do vertically. the only reason cykes blasts have been thin lines is beacuse he has his visor on and seconldy the visor keeps his power in check so that he can focus wherever he wants i dont know where this his beam isn't as strong when it's unfocused by the visor thing came from. its not neat and uniform like that,(maybe in the cartoons) if you every see videos of solar flares on the dicovery channel thats what it looks like just a splash of energy in the direction he's looking.again refering ppl back too the picture if it didnt affect everything in front of him and was in a thin line then the grass and the ground shoudlnt have been touched. the one thing that ppl fail to realize is that as long as his eyes are open energy is gonna come out. it doesnt stem from his pupils, just his eyes period. so even if he's looking in one direction it even focuses thru his peripheral vision that why the beam gets wider that farther it goes
its his eye sockets, not his pupils... your right...
Originally posted by manjaro
dude six stories is a fancy way of saying sixty feet. thats what he can do vertically. the only reason cykes blasts have been thin lines is beacuse he has his visor on and seconldy the visor keeps his power in check so that he can focus wherever he wants i dont know where this his beam isn't as strong when it's unfocused by the visor thing came from. its not neat and uniform like that,(maybe in the cartoons) if you every see videos of solar flares on the dicovery channel thats what it looks like just a splash of energy in the direction he's looking.again refering ppl back too the picture if it didnt affect everything in front of him and was in a thin line then the grass and the ground shoudlnt have been touched. the one thing that ppl fail to realize is that as long as his eyes are open energy is gonna come out. it doesnt stem from his pupils, just his eyes period. so even if he's looking in one direction it even focuses thru his peripheral vision that why the beam gets wider that farther it goes
Step two : look at Scotts blast. Pretty powerful huh ?
Step three : look at the size of his blast. That was definitely one of his most powerful blasts ever, and the diameter was, oh I don’t know, four, five feet ? Let’s make it seven feet ok ?
Step four: look at Scott, he’s been thrown back by the force of his own attack, he’s almost falling ! Well, he actually IS falling, that’s good news for Spider-Man 😉.
Step five: give me one good reason why Spider-Man can’t dodge a blast like that, a blast which is basically just a big laser attack.
Originally posted by who?-kid
You make a big mistake, you assume Scotts beam is just about everywhere...That's plain wrong, in 98 % of the fights I saw him in, his beams are just pretty thin "lines" if you know what I mean.
I don't know how this idea came into peoples heads that Cyclops can, all of a sudden, hit everything in front him, far from him, close to him, left of him, right of him, left above, behind him and so on...all with the same beam ?!
That's just wrong.
And who says Spider-Man has to jump over his attacks ? How about jumping to the left ? To the right ? Ducking ? And since when does Scott give everything he has for a normal fight ?
I did not say that Cyke's blast covers all up, down, back, etc... I meant that his blast covered all of the area he could see, and pereferal vision accounts for quite a bit. And it does go quite far. And you are giving him human limitations, but can you do that?? Show me a person who can shoot beams from his eyes ,and show me his limitations 😉 The reason that I did not include dcuking, sidestepping, etc... Is because I thought it was obvious. If Cyke is looking directly at Spidey, then he is the central target, and Cyke's perefral vision sends beams around him, on the sides, and down. So there's nowhere to run too.
This is for who?-kid, Cyclops is a trained very X-man infact in some comics that I've read he defeat most of the X-men using only his hands. and he is not a normal robbers w/out training. Besides I've seen normal robbers hit Spiderman with a punch so I can't see why Cyclops can't hit him. And about Cyclops blast when he removes his visor I've read on some Marvel site that He can make his Blast bigger and bigger but he cannot minimize it w/out his visor.
Originally posted by who?-kid[b]Step three
: look at the size of his blast. That was definitely one of his most powerful blasts ever, and the diameter was, oh I don’t know, four, five feet ? Let’s make it seven feet ok ?
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i wouldnt go out on a limb and say ever. granted that was a powerful blast but that was one artists rendition, if it was a blast like that and he only fires it at him once then of course he could dodge it but if he just takes his visor off and just turn his head wherever spidey lands sooner or later he's gonna get hit, i dont care how fast and agile he is. but i was more working off the one that was posted on before that one
the basic gist of Cykes abilites is this. his beam has an effective range of 2000 feet but the farther it travels the less power it is, and the wider the beam gets. its not a matter of making things up thats just how things are with 3D physics.
just picture your regular line of vision. if you look at the base of a mountain from a mile out you dont have to scan your head from left to right to see the whole thing, but if you get in a few yards and stand in the middle you wont able to see either end. thats the advantage he has over spidey for peter would have no choice but to try to score a point blank hit, cuz if he tries to run away or attack from afar the better target he becomes.
even if he wants to jump around just picture in your mind the beam moving from left to right, up to down. so if spidey wants to survive his only chance would be to stem the onslaught by going in closer, we all know that webbing his eyes is not a feasible option....so what else is he left with? if he jumps in the air scott looks up. if he tries to web his feet scott looks down. the stream is continous so if he jumps on walls or try to hide behind something they get obliterated any way, if he tries to throw something at him it gets obliterated so from a straight forward POV spidey has no chance
ive pretty much run out of abstract referneces now but i cant think of any creature in the animal kingdom that more agile than small monkeys, but when you watch those nature specials and they jump around do thier thing the camera is still able to keep up with them right? now what if those cameras were emitting a continous stream of light?
the main thing is tho many differebt artists approach scott diferently. some even show his beam widening while he has his visor on