(DC)Archangel Michael vs Living Tribunal

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Plenty of beings have infinite power or power sources. There can be more than one Infinite being as Infinite means just that. Without limit. There how ever can only be one Omnipotent and Infinite being. That being God. Each Universe can have people who are infinitely powerful and thus equal to each other. As is the case with GEB and Yeweh. But Only Yeweh is Also omnipotent.

Then people thought LT was infinite, until he got beat by THOTU, so he can't be infinite either.

The Brothers were considered infinite, but were retconned.

The Beyonder was said to be infinite, but he had wants, needs, ect.

The cosmic cube was thought to be infinite, in fact it was even called such, but that turned out false.

Even Yahweh wanted to merge with Lucifer (A Want).

Most things said to be infinite actualy aren't.

There ´God´ in Vertigo admits that he isn't Supreme, thuss not omnipotent, as nvrbeenwthagrl referes it to.

Living Tribunal has done far more than Archangel Micheal

Archangel Micheal's destruction lead to a blast which could create/destroy a universe, possibly a multiverse...

o0o0o0o0o0o how great !

Living Tribunal is the judge of Marvel's collection of Multiverses and second only to TOAA

Spectre's greatest feat was connecting himself to the entirety of a multiverse....wowzers !

LT is more powerful than one single multiverse.....

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU

There ´God´ in Vertigo admits that he isn't Supreme, thuss not omnipotent, as nvrbeenwthagrl referes it to.

You need to learn how to read. He said HE WAS SHAPED. IRGO int he past tense. Not currently being shaped, not in anyone's control. Learn to read comics. He IS omnipotent and Supreme.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You need to learn how to read. He said HE WAS SHAPED. IRGO int he past tense. Not currently being shaped, not in anyone's control. Learn to read comics.

He had a beginning...thus he is not truly infinite.

Secondly, the fact that any force even shaped him other than himself, shows he is NOT SUPREME

Learn how to read...period.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Living Tribunal has done far more than Archangel Micheal

Archangel Micheal's destruction lead to a blast which could create/destroy a universe, possibly a multiverse...

o0o0o0o0o0o how great !

Living Tribunal is the judge of Marvel's collection of Multiverses and second only to TOAA

Spectre's greatest feat was connecting himself to the entirety of a multiverse....wowzers !

LT is more powerful than one single multiverse.....

Where on Earth did you get the Idea that DC is only one multiverse?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
He had a [b]beginning...thus he is not truly infinite.

Secondly, the fact that any force even shaped him other than himself, shows he is NOT SUPREME

Learn how to read...period. [/B]

Um no just not. He IS supreme. There is nothing WAS in the PAST tense, shaped by External Forces. Which can mean pretty much anything. It doesn't say he was created by external forces. Hell Lucifer SHaped a universe. He didnt' create it. So where did you get the idea that he has a beginning when he doesn't say he was created by only shaped by? Learn to read. it's good for you. The Beyonder could have in fact given all of his power to Rasheal summers. All of it. She would then be supreme and supreme. What ever External Forces Shaped Him gave him the authority to be Supreme and they have none as in he WAS repeat WAS shaped.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Where on Earth did you get the Idea that DC is only one multiverse?

Learn how to read damnit...

I was comparing LT to Spectre in my last post...Spectre fused with the Multiverse...so what ?

Originally posted by King Kandy
But, I mean, People thought the IG was infinite, but LT was stronger, so it can't be infinite.

Then people thought LT was infinite, until he got beat by THOTU, so he can't be infinite either.

The Brothers were considered infinite, but were retconned.

The Beyonder was said to be infinite, but he had wants, needs, ect.

The cosmic cube was thought to be infinite, in fact it was even called such, but that turned out false.

Even Yahweh wanted to merge with Lucifer (A Want).

Most things said to be infinite actualy aren't.

Living Tribunal said that the Beyonders had infinite power.
And they are incomplete Cosmic Cube's, and the Celestial's are more powerful then the Cosmic Cube ect.

The Brothers were considered SUPREME, but got retconned, because DC and Marvel didn't like the consept of have their God's in physical form.

The Beyonder was stated to be, nigh-omnipotent.
The Beyonder was millions of times more powerful than anything else in the Multiverse combinded, now why isnt it infinite times?
Because he wasent Supreme.

No a Cosmic Cube is infinite in a way, for example, if we would give Silver Surfer a power level, let's say 10.
The cosmic cubes would be infinite, because they're so great that they cannot be comperhended with numbers.

Yawhew confirmed that he wasent Supreme.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Where on Earth did you get the Idea that DC is only one multiverse?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You need to learn how to read. He said HE WAS SHAPED. IRGO int he past tense. Not currently being shaped, not in anyone's control. Learn to read comics. He IS omnipotent and Supreme.

You look up external.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Learn how to read damnit...

I was comparing LT to Spectre in my last post...Spectre fused with the Multiverse...so what ?

Actually SPectre Fused with the Presence's creation. There is more than ONe multiverse in the Presence creation.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Where on Earth did you get the Idea that DC is only one multiverse?

Originally posted by King Kandy
Because it was never stated to be anything other then a single universe/multiverse.

It was stated to be the Presence Creation. The Creation is more than a single multiverse.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Um no just not. He IS supreme. There is nothing SHaping him. He is beyond any power as he IS supreme.

"True I am Infinite and Eternal. But even I was shaped by Forces External to Me"

-Yahweh

God bro, you are a fanboy and a half !

If anything shaped him, other than himself, than he is not supreme. Get over it 👇

God and Satan from Spawn are ALSO Infinite and Eternal, but they are NOT Supreme...learn the DIFFERENCES.......

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It only says he was shaped by External Forces.

Which means he is not Supreme.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Which can mean pretty much anything. It doesn't say he was created by external forces. Hell Lucifer SHaped a universe.

Lucifer shaping a Universe means he had power over that universe....which he clearly did.

If Yahweh was shaped by anything, that means those external forces had power over him.....

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
He didnt' create it. So where did you get the idea that he has a beginning when he doesn't say he was created by only shaped by? Learn to read. it's good for you.

If he was shaped by External Forces, then he had a beginning.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Let's put it this way, when did you get the idea it was larger?

When I read DC comics and I know that ON panel there are at least 5 multiverse under the DC umbrella. Maybe more. Or havent' you read Justice Society this month? THe kingdome is alive and well.

Well, my argument is: How do you show in panel that you are infinite and omnipotent? For this threads we assume omnipotence, if we say that the presence may NOT be the god of DC, then we are speaking of something else, but assuming he is, the thread is going as it should.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
"True I am Infinite and Eternal. But even I was shaped by Forces External to Me"

-Yahweh

God bro, you are a fanboy and a half !

If anything shaped him, other than himself, than he is [b]not supreme. Get over it 👇

God and Satan from Spawn are ALSO Infinite and Eternal, but they are NOT Supreme...learn the DIFFERENCES.......

Which means he is not Supreme.

Lucifer shaping a Universe means he had power over that universe....which he clearly did.

If Yahweh was shaped by anything, that means those external forces had power over him.....

If he was shaped by External Forces, then he had a beginning. [/B]

You are extrapolating what you wish from the statement. being shaped by something is not the same as being created by something. Thus your entire argument is invalid. And since He WAS shaped by something and is no longer being shaped by external forces, then he is Omnipotent and Supreme. Your argument is weak and invalidated.

Maybe... Just maybe, god knows that he was written by people, and thats what we are supposed to deduct by that statement, that would make him not less powerful but MORE, because he is aware of the real world.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen

LT is more powerful than one single multiverse.....

Then he is practically Not bound by third-dimensional laws meaning he is in the same level as Mister Mxyzptlk and Bat-Mite.

Proving he is no more powerful than The Spectre or Michael.

Well done! you prove my theory that LT is all powerful in the Cosmic sense. In a Divine sense of the word he isn't all powerful thus Michael who can yield divine powers can defeat him in battle.