Should we fear god?

Originally posted by Newjak
I think at this point you're failing to recognize what I'm saying or you're purposely straw-maning me by ignoring what I'm saying for your own narrative.

Not really. I feel like I've asked pretty fair questions and am sticking to the topic of if it's appropriate to Fear God or not, whilst using worldly examples, and asking why it's different IN PRINCIPAL (leaving the eternal aspect out of it).

As for my own narrative, I'm sorry do you not want to hear the other side of the argument?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Not really. I feel like I've asked pretty fair questions and am sticking to the topic of if it's appropriate to Fear God or not, whilst using worldly examples, and asking why it's different IN PRINCIPAL (leaving the eternal aspect out of it).

As for my own narrative, I'm sorry do you not want to hear the other side of the argument?

Originally posted by Newjak

Because if a god exists and they WANT us to fear them then they aren't worth being WORSHIPPED.

I've specifically pointed out that a god that wants us to fear them or one who creates laws that essentially govern through unjust fear aren't worth worshipping.

Your world examples don't work in the context of what I said. You also can't ignore the eternal aspect of this discussion.

For instance the Abrahamic god created a law that essentially boils down to "worship me or suffer for eternity". That is a terrible god. Just like if the entities you described as parents or government had similar rules they would be equally unjust.

And is not something worth believing in. That's the whole crux of it. A god that rules through fear is not a good god.

You're examples use minor fears of punishment as justification but that's not how deities work. You're not offering the other side. You're talking about something different all together. Which are minor fears of punishment okay. At best you could call it a layer of fear conversation but it's kind of moot to the point of whether or not we should fear a god enough believe they exist. Which if that were the case they aren't worth worshipping to begin with.

Instead we should be actively overthrowing those types of gods lol

Well I clearly wasnt ignoring what you were saying. I specifically addressed it by asking you to ignore the extent of the punishment for a second and see if you just agree in principal that fearing punishment from a higher moral authority holding us to account is inherently some sort of immoral system.

But it seems you want to jump straight into the eternal torment part and use that to justify God either
a)not existing or
b)having an inferior moral compass to your own (I assume thats what you mean by overthrowing that God if he exists).

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well I clearly wasnt ignoring what you were saying. I specifically addressed it by asking you to ignore the extent of the punishment for a second and see if you just agree in principal that fearing punishment from a higher moral authority holding us to account is inherently some sort of immoral system.

But it seems you want to jump straight into the eternal torment part and use that to justify God either
a)not existing or
b)having having an inferior moral compass to your own (I assume thats what you mean by overthrowing that God if he exists).

Also judging a system while ignoring the worst parts of that system doesn't allow for accurate discussion imo.

Any being intimidating me into fear does not deserve my respect.

Originally posted by Blakemore
Any being intimidating me into fear does not deserve my respect.

Well then perhaps you can lecture Him about it when you come face to face with Him on Judgment Day and see how that turns out for you lol. 😉

Sure.

Originally posted by Blakemore
Sure.

I'm glad I don't let a fictional abusive narcissist run my life.

Originally posted by Blakemore
Sure.

Good luck lol.... you're gonna need an infinite amount of it. 😉

Exactly. It’s like what Dawkins said, if he exists, he’s nothing but a barbaric bully. Clearly he doesn’t exist because the fables contradict the laws of physics.

Originally posted by Blakemore
Exactly. It’s like what Dawkins said, if he exists, he’s nothing but a barbaric bully. Clearly he doesn’t exist because the fables contradict the laws of physics.

TBF, that only works in relation with how many religions (especially the Abrahamic ones) portray god and those portrayals are 100% human created.

For all we know there is a supreme being/creator, but it is nothing like our religious texts describe, because humans lack the ability to truly comprehend a being like this.

I believe in god in this manner of sorts, there likely is a supreme being/beginning of everything, but we'll never know the who, what and why and that's okay.

You know, if most of the stars we see are billions of light years away, calculated through triangulation, then we’re witnessing burning gas from billions of years ago. My god, you must be something super powerful!

You know, if we didn't still have comets flying around our solar system evolutionists might have an actual, legitimate argument that the universe really is trillions of years old (sorry, but the mythical "Oort Cloud" that there is literally zero real evidence for is not a suitable explanation).

Nah, I take that back. They actually wouldn't because there are still plenty of other ways to prove it can't possibly be anywhere near that old or that the earth is billions of years old.

Wait, what's that? You accuse me of going off topic? Well, that's ok you see because Blakey did it first. 😉

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
You know, if we didn't still have comets flying around our solar system evolutionists might have an actual, legitimate argument that the universe really is trillions of years old (sorry, but the mythical "Oort Cloud" that there is literally zero real evidence for is not a suitable explanation).

False. See: Kuiper Belt Oort Cloud

Truth hurts doesn't it, Robbie?

People believing that the Earth, let alone the entire universe is only around 6K years old can be painful I guess. The level of idiocy that takes is astronomical, as there are objects on Earth far older than 6k years for starters.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Truth hurts doesn't it, Robbie?

Originally posted by Robtard
People believing that the Earth, let alone the entire universe is only around 6K years old can be painful I guess. The level of idiocy that takes is astronomical, there are objects on Earth far older than 6k years.

Oh Robbie, we are not doing this because I know it would be a total waste of time.

All I will say is that there are a multitude of ways to prove that the earth (and the universe) cannot possibly be billions or trillions of years old.

Nothing you say will convince me otherwise, trust me. Nor can any links you post convince me nor will I click on them because I know it will be from a biased secular source or even a Christian-hating one.

I'll admit that I have no real evidence that the earth or universe is only 6000 years old (other than historical Bible evidence). It is merely my personal belief and you can throw all the insults at me you like for believing that but it won't matter because I won't budge on it. It is really, really easy to prove it cannot be millions or billions of years old though. 😉

Originally posted by Newjak
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Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Oh Robbie, we are not doing this because I know it would be a total waste of time.

All I will say is that there are a multitude of ways to prove that the earth (and the universe) cannot possibly be billions or trillions of years old.

Nothing you say will convince me otherwise, trust me. Nor can any links you post convince me nor will I click on them because I know it will be from a biased secular source or even an atheist one.

I'll admit that I have no real evidence that the earth or universe is only 6000 years old (other than historical Bible evidence). It is merely my personal belief and you can throw all the insults at me you like for believing that but it won't matter because I won't budge on it. It is really, really easy to prove it cannot be millions or billions of years old though. 😉

No thank you, I have no desire to convince you of anything 👆