Halo 3

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
A gamers taste.

False.

If one car wins a race because it is clearly a faster car, would you say you don't agree that it's faster because you like the other car better? Not unless you're simple. You can't PREFER what is better if there are factual ways to measure or determine.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
What makes a games graphics technically better than another games graphics considering Halo 3 and Gears of War?

Many aspects of Gears of War's graphics and the way it was made are just more advanced. As said before, the textures, mapping, character models, in some cases the environment interaction.

All Halo really has above it is lighting and frame rate. Besides that, it's just not better.

That's JUST Gears. Why anybody who has played Bioshock is comparing it to Bioshock is just...silly.

-AC

AC congrats! You just made the 3,000th post!

I'd like to thank Newjak, few others.

-AC

So im simple because I prefer Halo's larger than life battles? Sweet.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Are they the graphics you play the game with? No, so they are irrelevant. Just another desperate argument in defense of Halo.

The first Tomb Raider had cutscenes better than the graphics you actually play with, just like almost every game, Halo is no different, and they do not count as WE are discussing in game, playable graphics. YOU are the only one grasping desperately for points.

It wasn't part of the discussion, you brought that in on your own, for no reason and without ANY relevance. WE are discussing PLAYABLE GRAPHICS, so why on Earth are you discussing the trailer? It has nothing to do with anything. Unless you do believe the trailer contains gameplay graphics, in which case you'd be an idiot.

I'm not biased, the reason this debate is going on is because people cannot accept fact. Your desperation and love for Halo has caused you to try and say "BUT THE TRAILER HAS BETTER GRAPHICS!", so what? What's the point? We are, and have always/only been discussing GAMEPLAY GRAPHICS.

Trailers mean nothing.

-AC

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
What makes a games graphics technically better than another games graphics considering Halo 3 and Gears of War?

I would say the enviorements are different and unique. Graphics wise...shouldn't be a reason to argue if the game provides the fun factor.

Fun factor>Graphics.

We're having a graphics discussion, I don't think they're more important.

Just happens to be what we're discussing. I think substance should always come before style, though.

To Shin_Gear: I'm contributing more Halo talk to this thread than you are. Maybe you should just go back to asking for nude pictures of Tifa Lockhart. We're having an actual discussion.

To Superboy Prime:

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
So im simple because I prefer Halo's larger than life battles? Sweet.

Quote me.

Because I swear I said something entirely different and nothing like that.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
To Shin_Gear: I'm contributing more Halo talk to this thread than you are. Maybe you should just go back to asking for nude pictures of Tifa Lockhart. We're having an actual discussion.

*grabs popcorn* I can't wait to see what happens next!

Quit spamming the thread.

I wonder if my simply laughing at his post will instigate him.

Anyway, Halo 3 is a poor game. FACT 😆

Originally posted by shin_gear
I wonder if my simply laughing at his post will instigate him.

Anyway, Halo 3 is a poor game. FACT 😆

Okay, so you're trolling. Thanks for confirming my suspicions.

Now seriously, quit being an ass. Despite all the arguing here it is on-topic. Just posting smilies is not only spamming, but it's incredibly obnoxious.

I posted his quoted post...not just a smiley.

And tell me, why am I getting accused of trolling when you haven't yet scolded him for insulting another member, despite me making the report about it?

I called him a fool because he was quite clearly instigating it, being very ignorant and doing things for the sake of having a reason to reply, as evidenced by anybody who would care to see.

Or because "Fool" and "You're being an idiot." are both used by mods also. It's very hard not to when you dwell on KMC.

-AC

Originally posted by shin_gear
I posted his quoted post...not just a smiley.

And tell me, why am I getting accused of trolling when you haven't yet scolded him for insulting another member, despite me making the report about it?

Because I decide what I think is worth telling someone off about, and calling someone a fool isn't.

And you are trolling. You admitted it by saying you wonder if that's going to instigate AC. Not only that but you are disrupting the thread. So knock it off.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Seeing as just one part of your post was relevant, and about Halo, that's what I'll reply to.

Wait, that first bit makes zero sense. I'm not factually right...but even if I was....I wouldn't be? That's what I got from this quote;

"Actually your not factually right and even if you were oddly enough you are not.". Very stupid.

A) Believe what you want. I was typing the same thing before Backfire, and even in Backfire's case, he said what he could see I MEANT. I'm telling you I didn't do that, but that means nothing to you. Not that I care, it's a fact I wasn't doing that. I was typing that stuff when Backfire replied, I didn't see it then start replying, but you obviously have already made your little mind up, and you're biased toward ignoring what I say.

B) You are pissed because you feel I couldn't answer until Backfire did, that's not true but whatever. He's right, I'm right, Lana's right. You're not, you're wrong. Whether it was me or someone else first, you were proven wrong. Don't ignore the fact of what Backfire said just because he got there first and you wanted it to be me.

So in that case, Backfire, Lana and I are all wrong? Is that what you're saying? We're all wrong about the graphics being technically better?

-AC

Even if you were right and Gears did have better Graphics you have yet to actually state or show any kind of idea why. Because you have no clue what actually constitutes better Graphics.

You were not putting the same thing as Backfire up in fact nothing in your post even remotely touches on what Backfire said about Graphics. Oddly enough after that post you seemingly gained knowledge on the subject.

That is my point you know nothing of Graphics to actually tell me what Graphics are better, even if you were right, other than what you think are better Graphics.

And you guys ahve yet to actually prove me wrong. Seriously none of you have actually given any Graphics specs o nthe games.

Seriously offer me some kind of Grahpics Knowledge other than rehashing what other posters have stated because those other posters aren't even hitting on the main core of "Graphics"

Originally posted by Newjak
It makes perfect sense if you read the line that comes after it.

No, it still makes no sense. You can't be factually right and wrong at the same time.

Originally posted by Newjak
Even if you were right and Gears did have better Graphics you have yet to actually state or show any kind of idea why. Because you have no clue what actually constitutes better Graphics.

Ahh, so you ARE just pissed off at the fact that someone said it who wasn't me, first. Ok, well let me say this; regardless of WHO said it, or WHEN, SOMEBODY has proven you wrong here. Whether it's me, Backfire or Lana, someone HAS proven you wrong.

You wanting me to have done it first does not mean you should be overlooking that it was done.

Originally posted by Newjak
You were not putting the same thing as Backfire up in fact nothing in your post even remotely touches on what Backfire said about Graphics. Oddly enough after that post you seemingly gained knowledge on the subject.

Like I said, I'm telling you I was, you've made your mind up, I'm not going to sit here discussing it with you.

Whether you choose to believe I copied off him or not, I don't care. The point is, Backfire, Lana and I have all produced the same point; Gears has superior graphics.

Originally posted by Newjak
That is my point you know nothing of Graphics to actually tell me what Graphics are better, even if you were right, other than what you think are better Graphics.

A) You're wrong. You're choosing to believe I know nothing, but that's your choice, I don't care what you choose to believe.

B) If you wanna tell me I'm wrong and copying, do so, but then give Backfire or Lana the credit of having proven you wrong, if it makes it that much easier on you. Regardless of whether you believe me or not, like the way I did it or not, there HAS been evidence provided that proves Gears' graphics are superior.

Acknowledge that.

Originally posted by Newjak
And you guys ahve yet to actually prove me wrong. Seriously none of you have actually given any Graphics specs o nthe games.

Ahh, so now you're pretending not to see.

Originally posted by Newjak
Seriously offer me some kind of Grahpics Knowledge other than rehashing what other posters have stated because those other posters aren't even hitting on the main core of "Graphics"

YOUR argument is "Halo does different things! It has lighting and better frame rate!". So what? Gears DOES have better textures, character models and mapping, you've agreed with me. So the one thing you disagree on is environment interaction which as Lana pointed out, isn't necessarily a graphics debate, but even if it was, Gears PRIDES itself on how you interact and use the environment, you base it on "Stuff moves! Warthogs blow up!".

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No, it still makes no sense. You can't be factually right and wrong at the same time.

Ahh, so you ARE just pissed off at the fact that someone said it who wasn't me, first. Ok, well let me say this; regardless of WHO said it, or WHEN, SOMEBODY has proven you wrong here. Whether it's me, Backfire or Lana, someone HAS proven you wrong.

You wanting me to have done it first does not mean you should be overlooking that it was done.

Like I said, I'm telling you I was, you've made your mind up, I'm not going to sit here discussing it with you.

Whether you choose to believe I copied off him or not, I don't care. The point is, Backfire, Lana and I have all produced the same point; Gears has superior graphics.

A) You're wrong. You're choosing to believe I know nothing, but that's your choice, I don't care what you choose to believe.

B) If you wanna tell me I'm wrong and copying, do so, but then give Backfire or Lana the credit of having proven you wrong, if it makes it that much easier on you. Regardless of whether you believe me or not, like the way I did it or not, there HAS been evidence provided that proves Gears' graphics are superior.

Acknowledge that.

Ahh, so now you're pretending not to see.

YOUR argument is "Halo does different things! It has lighting and better frame rate!". So what? Gears DOES have better textures, character models and mapping, you've agreed with me. So the one thing you disagree on is environment interaction which as Lana pointed out, isn't necessarily a graphics debate, but even if it was, Gears PRIDES itself on how you interact and use the environment, you base it on "Stuff moves! Warthogs blow up!".

-AC

I mean i given you more than ample chances to actually explain why but it the samething you said before. It just does why because it has better textures and Character Models. You can not say why just that me and two other posters confirmed Gears has those things better.

And my argument is that Halo 3 does use its Graphics Engine for other things or to improve upon other things. Seriously if you can not get that then I know you know nothing about it. And I hate to say this because Lana will probably kill me but she is right and wrong. Moving the Vehicle or Object is the Game Engine showing it moving though is the Graphics Engine.

So one last chance give me your technical knowledge on "Graphics" oh wise one 😉

Originally posted by Newjak
So basically through all this drivel you basically confirmed you actually have no background knowledge on Graphics and can not actually make a statement on it. Just as a I thought.

Where do you get this stuff? If I didn't reply, I wonder if you'd still post a reply, somehow. Just type into quote tags that say my name, probably. It'd be no different to what you're going now.

I have, I've proven that, YOU are the one who refuses to believe I said it alone, but that's up to you. If it's ME you have an issue with, I am willing to step aside for the good of the debate and let you give either Backfire or Lana the credit for it, if not me, just because I wanna see if you have it in you to admit the facts.

Backfire said it first because he SAW what I was saying INITIALLY and agreed with me.

Originally posted by Newjak
I mean i given you more than ample chances to actually explain why but it the samething you said before. It just does why because it has better textures and Character Models. You can not say why just that me and two other posters confirmed Gears has those things better.

Well if we're being technical, you've not proven anything for Halo either, so I'm not sure why I'm allowing YOU to slip the grasp of this. You've essentially said the same things I have, but about Halo, and agreed with me on the textures, mapping and character models of Gears being better. So how do I know that YOU even know anything? The difference is, all three of us said it, so you can either assume we're all lying bsers, or we can assume you are. Nobody with any reasonable argument has taken your side, even before I debated with you, many who disagreed with me on Halo agreed that Gears' graphics are far superior.

Originally posted by Newjak
And my argument is that Halo 3 does use its Graphics Engine for other things or to improve upon other things. Seriously if you can not get that then I know you know nothing about it. And I hate to say this because Lana will probably kill me but she is right and wrong. Moving the Vehicle or Object is the Game Engine showing it moving though is the Graphics Engine.

That is what I said. Your argument is "Halo drops some things to make other things better!" and as a result, Gears is superior in more areas, as you have agreed.

Originally posted by Newjak
So once last chance give me your technical knowledge on "Graphics" oh wise one 😉

I already have, you've just ignored me, and others. How about you? I'm not too sure why I've let you get away with it either. What exactly do you know?

-AC

You guys are still arguing, just agree to disagree, I'm sure you guys have more important things to do than argue over something so small.