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Hmmm, whats that you say Cap? You are a master of every know of hand-to-hand combat! Who would have know?
What about Elektra? Batgirls ability to read body language is impressive but really Kenshin and Echo have the same ability (Kenshin more so) but it isn't like they've never lost in battle is it? Hell a skilled martial artist should be able to predict the moves of their enemy to some extent(and the all do to some extent which is why Berserker Rage is effective). If Batman can break even with Batgirl how is it different for anyone else... including those how are above Batman?
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
What about Elektra? Batgirls ability to read body language is impressive but really Kenshin and Echo have the same ability (Kenshin more so) but it isn't like they've never lost in battle is it? Hell a skilled martial artist should be able to predict the moves of their enemy to some extent(and the all do to some extent which is why Berserker Rage is effective). If Batman can break even with Batgirl how is it different for anyone else... including those how are above Batman?
Now we're moving to Elektra because you got beat in the Cap section...
Kenshin and Echo don't read body movements. They copy them. Like Taskmaster. Batgirl does not predict movements. She knows their movements before their brains even registers to make a movement. That's how good she is.
I don't understand the rest of argument. You sproadically jumped to different topics like a Beserker rage and Batman. Revise please.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Ever heard of a synonym? Lets see what we get as synonyms for adept shall we? Skilled, Skillful, [B]Expert and Proficient... what is the differance between Expert and Master? [/B]
Adept - having or showing knowledge and skill and aptitude
Master - knows all there is to know in a particular subject
They are not the same thing.
I can be adept at finger-painting. But someone else is a MASTER of finger-painting.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=adept
Someone who is "dazzlingly skilled in any field," stands out among many other points that group adept and expert/mastery in the same category.
Kenshin doesn't copy moves he reads his opponents body language and emotion to predict their moves. Taskmaster and Echo's abilities all steam from being able to observe the slightest muscle contraction and the memorize it and duplicate it perfectly... it was Batgirl does but to a much greater extent.
The reason I brought up the berserker rage (pay attention I don't what to lose you Draco) is because I made the point that all the martial artist read their opponents moves in Marvel and instead of give specific examples I brought up Wolverine's berserker rage. The reason it is so effective is because skilled opponents are taken off guard by his unpredictable movements, which wouldn't matter much if they weren't able to read his normal combat moves to some extent.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=adeptSomeone who is "dazzlingly skilled in any field," stands out among many other points that group adept and expert/mastery in the same category.
Kenshin doesn't copy moves he reads his opponents body language and emotion to predict their moves. Taskmaster and Echo's abilities all steam from being able to observe the slightest muscle contraction and the memorize it and duplicate it perfectly... it was Batgirl does but to a much greater extent.
The reason I brought up the berserker rage (pay attention I don't what to lose you Draco) is because I made the point that all the martial artist read their opponents moves in Marvel and instead of give specific examples I brought up Wolverine's berserker rage. The reason it is so effective is because skilled opponents are taken off guard by his unpredictable movements, which wouldn't matter much if they weren't able to read his normal combat moves to some extent.
*sigh* The main problem with ANY of your arguments is that you don't stay on topic. The argument above doesn't make any sense. You mention "evidence" that has absolutely nothing to do with the main topic.
The Official Handbook of The Marvel Universe : Avengers 2004 clearly states and I quote "Captain America, while proficient in all forms of hand to hand combat, has only mastered judo, akido, and several boxing styles." There goes your argument. Captain America did not have the TIME to master all 127 martial art styles. America was at war. They needed Captain America ready to battle as soon as possible. He's PROFICIENT at all forms of combat how ever he has not MASTERED them. To master them he would need at least 10 to 30 years of training. He never trained for that amount of time.
Kenshin and Echo have NOTHING to do with this topic. Why you refer to them I haven't the slightest clue.
Again. Wolverine's beserker rage has NOTHING to do with this topic. Why are you torturing your keyboard?
Stay on topic.
Captain America's a very good fighter. But he doesn't have the skills like Batman and Batgirl does. Common sense shows that.
To layiiplayette :
I doubt she could take on all three at once. But she could definitely defeat anyone of them. Catwoman will go down first. Then Buffy. Then finally Elektra.
To demigawd :
Exactly
So we ignore what Cap says in the comic for the Hand Books... the same Marvel Hand Books that say Ogun moves at Warp speed. You can use hand books if you like, I'll stick with the comics.
Kenshin and Echo (even Taskmaster) can give better insight to Batgirl's abilities, so mention them is hardly off topic. Although I can see I'm confusing you so I'll try to make things simpler next time. Reading body language is a pretty common thing in comics (although not on Batgirl's level) but it is hardly an ability that seals a fight especially against someone as skilled as Elektra. Hell the ability to read minds coupled with martial arts doesn't equal an instant win and low level telepathy is more help then reading body language (I can give you an example but wont risk confusing you again with something off topic).
Heres what you need to know Batman can break even with Batgirl (when not interested in fighting), Dare Devil can beat Batman and Elektra is a better and more ruthless fighter then DD.
EDIT: The 2004 Avengers Handbook even has Cap listed as a 7 on Fighting Skill and if I can refer you to the back of the book Draco, a 7 is master of all forms of combat
