Should Colossus and Northstar Hook-Up?

OH FOR GODS SAKE , WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE, I can't believe the reaction you x-men "FANS" have over colossus being gay, and now having a dig at Northstar for the past twenty odd years being the only out gay charater.

If anything its Marvels fault for not being broad minded enough to introduce more gay heroes, I mean... ONE GAY HERO OUT OF SEVERAL HUNDREDS, HELLO!!!.

But the real disappointment is in the so called FANS of x-men. The true theme of x-men was about people living in the modern world and having to deal every day with fascists who are unable to except them for who they are. X-Men and Mutants are more in common with the gay comminity then any other marvel title.

You can't be a fan of x-men and somehow not acknowledge the fact that its meant to be about accepting people who are different then you, otherwise your no better then a member of the Klue clux clan or a nazi.

You all need a serious wake up call as to what the gay community is in the modern world, and **** all your stereo-types. I think its great that colossus could be gay, it would give gay teenagers still in the closet who are coming to terms with their own sexuality something to look to, a positive roll model for once.

Shut your mouths and just let it be!!!

Originally posted by Nathaniel Grey
But to alter an already established character so that their former tendencies are usurped by new ones that are clearly out of character since the time of their development is vulgar.

Originally posted by stellarX
Would it reduce the amount of respect you have for Colossus if his Ultimate counterpart WERE gay?
This isn't the same Rasputin we've grown to love in the past 20-odd years on 616... 😉

Originally posted by Nathaniel Grey

To tell you the truth I'm not entirely sure about that. I'd rather see Marvel develop characters that were unique and fresh who were homosexual rather than use characters that are already established ( Ie; Cyclops, Colossus, Iceman...etc. ) and make them gay. It just doesn't sit entirely too well with me. But Marvel will do what they believe is needed to relate to an audience. I mean hell while we're at it let's make [b]Ultimate Apocalypse a hispanic youth from the barrio or Ultimate Bishop a non-english speaking Italian. [/B]

Originally posted by Napalm
Why cant they leave the x men characters alone None of dem need to fags

Originally posted by Draco69
Napalm, if mutants existed, you would be standing outside the Xavier Institute waving a giant sign saying : God Hates Mutants. The plight of gays is practically synonymous with the plight of mutants, ya hypocrite.

Originally posted by Havoc470
whats the big deal, its just a change of sexual preference....it doesnt ruin the characters it just makes it a bit mroe interesting to some readers, thats what marvels all about

Originally posted by kimahri45k
The true theme of x-men was about people living in the modern world and having to deal every day with fascists who are unable to except them for who they are. X-Men and Mutants are more in common with the gay comminity then any other marvel title.

You can't be a fan of x-men and somehow not acknowledge the fact that its meant to be about accepting people who are different then you, otherwise your no better then a member of the Klue clux clan or a nazi.

You all need a serious wake up call as to what the gay community is in the modern world, and **** all your stereo-types. I think its great that colossus could be gay, it would give gay teenagers still in the closet who are coming to terms with their own sexuality something to look to, a positive roll model for once.

Shut your mouths and just let it be!!! [/B]

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The topic is about whether or not he should pursue a relationship with Northstar, continue to pine after Wolverine, or choose some other course of action, etc.

sweet f*ck... why was this resurrected...

Originally posted by kimahri45k
OH FOR GODS [B]SAKE , WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE, I can't believe the reaction you x-men "FANS" have over colossus being gay, and now having a dig at Northstar for the past twenty odd years being the only out gay charater.

If anything its Marvels fault for not being broad minded enough to introduce more gay heroes, I mean... ONE GAY HERO OUT OF SEVERAL HUNDREDS, HELLO!!!.

But the real disappointment is in the so called FANS of x-men. The true theme of x-men was about people living in the modern world and having to deal every day with fascists who are unable to except them for who they are. X-Men and Mutants are more in common with the gay comminity then any other marvel title.

You can't be a fan of x-men and somehow not acknowledge the fact that its meant to be about accepting people who are different then you, otherwise your no better then a member of the Klue clux clan or a nazi.

You all need a serious wake up call as to what the gay community is in the modern world, and **** all your stereo-types. I think its great that colossus could be gay, it would give gay teenagers still in the closet who are coming to terms with their own sexuality something to look to, a positive roll model for once.

Shut your mouths and just let it be!!! [/B]

you are missing the point completely...

we dont care whether they bring in 1 or 50 gay heroes... it really doesnt matter, hell, make a gay superhero team and i wouldnt mind...

but changing a character thats over what, 30, 40 years old? thats the problem...

i just dont see why they couldnt introduce a new character who happened to be gay...

The Ultimate characters are technically new characters, or at least new takes on characters.
Frankly Colossus' character hasn't really changed very much, his sexuality may have changed, his personality is pretty much exactly the same.
Shadowcat has changed more in Ultimate than Colossus, she's a bit of a retard. She used to be a bit of a kid genius in computers and electronics, now she can't even hack an email account. I mean she's become... Jubileeish. 😘
Beast is dead for god sakes.

As for those who read X-Men, a comic about a persecuted minority, and are outraged because he's gay. Just think about the irony.

Now to the actual question of the thread. Dunno about Northstar, he was a bit of a dick when they first approached him. Maybe... but I'd say C can do better. 😄

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The Ultimate characters are technically new characters, or at least new takes on characters.
Frankly Colossus' character hasn't really changed very much, his sexuality may have changed, his personality is pretty much exactly the same.
Shadowcat has changed more in Ultimate than Colossus, she's a bit of a retard. She used to be a bit of a kid genius in computers and electronics, now she can't even hack an email account. I mean she's become... Jubileeish. 😘
Beast is dead for god sakes.

As for those who read X-Men, a comic about a persecuted minority, and are outraged because he's gay. Just think about the irony.

Now to the actual question of the thread. Dunno about Northstar, he was a bit of a dick when they first approached him. Maybe... but I'd say C can do better. 😄

It would claim to be new, yet alot of the characters all share traits with their normal universe counterparts...

i just object to a character being changed at a fundamental level (sexuality), when its been established that the reverse is true...

i dont really think its ironic at all... ive been reading xmen for a long time, this isnt about colossus being gay as it is about the fact that marvel is trying to be too pc...

Actully I do agree that Colossus can do better then Northstar, I mean its great having out gay x-men and all, but Northstar doesn't strike me as being Colossus's type, just cause he's the only other out gay mutant in the ultimate x-world.

Still, Peter's desire for Logan is understandable, I confess to having a similer desire of the hairy little canadian myself, perhaps a new x-man who's more openly gay then Peter would be great for his morale, help bring him out more. 😄

Lets hope Mark Miller will be as generous with Colossus as he has been with Apollo and Midnighter.

Just to make a point to PR1983, you talk about not changing a characters sexuality that has been known as straight for the past 30-40 years, Well I know men who have had to live a straight lifestyle for a similer length of time, even some were married and had kids before they came out, it does happen.

The point of ultimate x-men was that marvel writers could change the characters round slightly, and something tells me you wouldn't object to it if Jean Grey or Storm came out as lesbian, the matter wouldn't raise any objection there, now would it!

Be it forwardly offensive of trying to find a systematic way of saying why Colossus shouldn't be gay, its all the same thing if its against a gay character.

Or maybe this is all because since in the normal line of marvel comics, the writer decided to kill off there Colossus, and the ultimate Colossus was the one left to turn to... yet you find it hard to accept the idea of one of your favourte x-men being something you can't accept yourself.

Don't you notice the reflection mutants have to the gay community?

I say no way.

Kitty and Peter are much better. They should be back together.

Originally posted by kimahri45k
Just to make a point to PR1983, you talk about not changing a characters sexuality that has been known as straight for the past 30-40 years, Well I know men who have had to live a straight lifestyle for a similer length of time, even some were married and had kids before they came out, it does happen.

i know... im not disputing that at all... but nobody forced colossus, the whole theme of x-men is the acceptance of diversity... i doubt he'd have had to worry about it...

The point of ultimate x-men was that marvel writers could change the characters round slightly, and something tells me you wouldn't object to it if Jean Grey or Storm came out as lesbian, the matter wouldn't raise any objection there, now would it!

it would with me... but thats just me...

Be it forwardly offensive of trying to find a systematic way of saying why Colossus shouldn't be gay, its all the same thing if its against a gay character.

i dont think so at all...

Or maybe this is all because since in the normal line of marvel comics, the writer decided to kill off there Colossus, and the ultimate Colossus was the one left to turn to... yet you find it hard to accept the idea of one of your favourte x-men being something you can't accept yourself.

colossus is alive... and what? your assuming im afraid of my own sexuality?

Don't you notice the reflection mutants have to the gay community?

of course i do... i just dont see why they changed colossus instead of bringing in a new character all together... thats all ive been saying...

Personally I think the Ulimate suck anyways.

Originally posted by vaya_the_elf
I say no way.

Kitty and Peter are much better. They should be back together.

Although I absolutely despise Kitty in all forms, I have to agree. Kitty and Piotr are better for each other. I am all for the gay community and all, but you should keep a character the sexual orientation you made them, unless of course they're bisexual. But Piotr was not. And for those who will say that I am racist against gays you should look up my favorite actor. He is bi. I have no problems with a persons color or sexual prientation. It's the personality and heart that matters.

Originally posted by kimahri45k
Just to make a point to PR1983, you talk about not changing a characters sexuality that has been known as straight for the past 30-40 years, Well I know men who have had to live a straight lifestyle for a similer length of time, even some were married and had kids before they came out, it does happen.

The point of ultimate x-men was that marvel writers could change the characters round slightly, and something tells me you wouldn't object to it if Jean Grey or Storm came out as lesbian, the matter wouldn't raise any objection there, now would it!

Be it forwardly offensive of trying to find a systematic way of saying why Colossus shouldn't be gay, its all the same thing if its against a gay character.

Or maybe this is all because since in the normal line of marvel comics, the writer decided to kill off there Colossus, and the ultimate Colossus was the one left to turn to... yet you find it hard to accept the idea of one of your favourte x-men being something you can't accept yourself.

Don't you notice the reflection mutants have to the gay community?

Sounds like this one hit a littel to close to home for SOMEONE.... Oh and just judging by your join date.. perhaps you should sit back & observe for a while before making blanket and FALSE accusations.. especially against someone as well versed in XMEN as PR... you might just learn a thing or two if you'd get off your PC high horse...

you ppl do know that this thread was bred and died last year right?

first of all northstar is gay in all the x univereses not just ultimates..i know they're trying to prove a point by making a big super strong sterotypical ideal male gay, but that should remain in te ultimate universe.. the only thing i depsie about piotr is that he acts like kitty is the only vagina in existence, thats why i said LAST YEAR, that they may as well bcuz i find lots of stuff wrong with a guy who can move mountains who doesant like to fight and wanna read his sily poems to evry body, thats fagaroony territory to begin with

Get off my pc high horse... you think because I've joined this debate and my file says junior that I'm younger then any of you... I've been an x-men fan for nearly twenty years mate, and an out gay man for ten, so I think I'm well versed enough in this!

And maybe you should consider that the only reason I've joined now is to throw in the view of someone who can tell you a few things about being gay and the reflections that are posed in x-men.

My argument is on why so any x-men fans fail to find a similarity between the x-men universe and what homophobia there is in the gay community.

Don't even think that I'm a minor somehow because I decided to join the debate now!
And if you think my accusations are falsh, maybe you should read through the forum... if someone doesn't speak up then things won't change.

Originally posted by kimahri45k
And maybe you should consider that the only reason I've joined now is to throw in the view of someone who can tell you a few things about being gay and the reflections that are posed in x-men.

My argument is on why so any x-men fans fail to find a similarity between the x-men universe and what homophobia there is in the gay community.

I am not nor have i ever been oblivious to the parallels between the x-men and the society in which we live today... in fact its the reason i keep reading it...

Originally posted by manjaro
you ppl do know that this thread was bred and died last year right?

first of all northstar is gay in all the x univereses not just ultimates..i know they're trying to prove a point by making a big super strong sterotypical ideal male gay, but that should remain in te ultimate universe.. the only thing i depsie about piotr is that he acts like kitty is the only vagina in existence, thats why i said LAST YEAR, that they may as well bcuz i find lots of stuff wrong with a guy who can move mountains who doesant like to fight and wanna read his sily poems to evry body, thats fagaroony territory to begin with

yes, but somebody reignited it...

and being a nice guy doesnt automatically make you gay... because then the woman in my life wouldnt be impressed...

Originally posted by kimahri45k
Get off my pc high horse... you think because I've joined this debate and my file says junior that I'm younger then any of you... I've been an x-men fan for nearly twenty years mate, and an out gay man for ten, so I think I'm well versed enough in this!

And maybe you should consider that the only reason I've joined now is to throw in the view of someone who can tell you a few things about being gay and the reflections that are posed in x-men.

My argument is on why so any x-men fans fail to find a similarity between the x-men universe and what homophobia there is in the gay community.

Don't even think that I'm a minor somehow because I decided to join the debate now!
And if you think my accusations are falsh, maybe you should read through the forum... if someone doesn't speak up then things won't change.

woah, calm down there hoss...

I never said you were younger than anyone, only that you are a newb.. yeah I said it.... NEWB.. your join date says so, deal with it

and well versed or not your 'opinion' of other members is not only inaccurate its down right OFFENSIVE..... i take it you feel you have been opressed or treated badly in some way because of your orientation? well guess what? pot meet kettle.. you did the EXACT same thing when you attacked PR.. if ya cant handle the replies I suggest you refrain from posting

And if you want 'things to change' perhaps a comic book message forum isnt exactly the right place to start...

noone here is blasting homosexuality as a lifestyle/orientation so knock that chip of your shoulder and debate the issue at hand would ya?

O.k then... so what is the issue at hand, I thought is was a forum about long term characters coming out as gay in another format... I've sat and read what everyone has said about it... and some people views seemed slightly against the issue of a gay character appearing in a comic book series... or more precis, a character coming out of the closet.

Isn't that what this forum is about... because the issue of Northstar and Colossus coming together is what it says, yet this had been thrown aside and opened a debate about how x-fans dislike or partly agree on if Colossus should or shouldn't be gay.

And Manjaro (despite the fagaroony remark) had a good point, this is the ultimate universe, if they want to make Colossus gay it has no change to him in the other marvel universe.

And I can handle anything thrown at me Bilb, maybe I stepped over the mark against PR, but you seem to want to carry this on, and shouting NEWB because I joined debate later doesn't mean I don't know what its about.

PR, you raised a point, being a nice guy doesn't make you gay, anymore then being a hard man makes you straight, Apollo and Midnighter again.
If Colossus is gay, he'd be the perfect roll model for any young guys dealing with their sexuality... Mark Miller is the man who brought the worlds first gay hero couple after all.

Originally posted by kimahri45k

And I can handle anything thrown at me Bilb, maybe I stepped over the mark against PR, but you seem to want to carry this on, and shouting NEWB because I joined debate later doesn't mean I don't know what its about.

maybe I stepped over the mark against PR,

Thats all you had to say dude.. you just dont come in here & trash talk folks without repercussions, not with me anyway. I happen to get the term LOYALTY and take it seriously.. you dont f*ck with one of my friends & just go about your merry way.. I could care less about your opionions on XMEN,, they are just that YOUR OPINIONS.. I just refuse to stand by & let someone I care about get slammed is all..

So long as you dont step over THAT line again, then as far as I am concerned its dropped

Originally posted by kimahri45k
O.k then... so what is the issue at hand, I thought is was a forum about long term characters coming out as gay in another format... I've sat and read what everyone has said about it... and some people views seemed slightly against the issue of a gay character appearing in a comic book series... or more precis, a character coming out of the closet.

i have no problem with characters being gay... apollo, northstar, i think diversity is great...

the problem i have is that, the way i see it... marvel is only trying to be more pc... would they have made wolverine, storm or even cyclops gay? i sincerely doubt it...

so they pick colossus, a character who's been in and out of x-men for years...

from what ive seen since colossus joined x-men all those years ago, there was no hint that he was gay, his obsession with kitty pryde an indication of that...

i used to read ultimate x-men, i still do, just not as regularly as before, and if marvel make colossus gay then so be it, but i fear its for the wrong reasons...

being gay as a plot device or a way to develop characters seems to be rather cheap imo... they make him gay, hint at it every once in a while and they call it character development...

Isn't that what this forum is about... because the issue of Northstar and Colossus coming together is what it says, yet this had been thrown aside and opened a debate about how x-fans dislike or partly agree on if Colossus should or shouldn't be gay.

true, the conversation has been misguided, but a "should marvel characters be gay" debate would have gone to hell rather quickly, because there are those who would rather no gay characters in comics...

And Manjaro (despite the fagaroony remark) had a good point, this is the ultimate universe, if they want to make Colossus gay it has no change to him in the other marvel universe.

Yet he's still colossus... big and russian and living in poverty... paints, is the most loyal and selfless member of the team... the only difference between him and normal universe colossus is his sexuality... if there were several differences i wouldnt mind, but they just make one?

Originally posted by pr1983

being gay as a plot device or a way to develop characters seems to be rather cheap imo... they make him gay, hint at it every once in a while and they call it character development...

indeed...