Christ is god
Jn.1:1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
Jn.1:14
"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us."
Jn.8:58
"Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am."
Jn.10:30-31
"I and my Father are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him."
Jn.10:38-39
"The Father is in me, and I in him. Therefore they sought again to take him."
Christ is not god
Col.3:1
"Christ sitteth on the right hand of God."
1 Tim.2:5
"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."
Jn.14:28
"My Father is greater than I."
Originally posted by The Inkeeper
Christ is godJn.1:1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
Jn.1:14
"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us."
Jn.8:58
"Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am."
Jn.10:30-31
"I and my Father are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him."
Jn.10:38-39
"The Father is in me, and I in him. Therefore they sought again to take him."Christ is not god
Col.3:1
"Christ sitteth on the right hand of God."
1 Tim.2:5
"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."
Jn.14:28
"My Father is greater than I."
Jn.1:1... the verse never claimed that Christ is God there.
Jn1:14... same no declarations of Christ being God.
I know i have posted this several times in the other thread. 🙂
Look, what is there in the beginning was the "Word" or Logos Logos as used by John implies the "thought" or "plan" of God concerning Christ. It's not yet Christ Himself who is there in the beginning, but the "plan". The "plan" which is in the mind of God or "with God" in the beginning as "promise". This "plan" of God is powerful since God's word is powerful and everything He proclaims should be fulfilled, thus, rendering a phrase "and the Word is God". It's not the same as saying "and the Word is the God". The Greek grammarians made several accounts regarding such thing. The "God" in the third phrase functions as adjective because of the absence of the definite article.
Now, in verse 14, what made "flesh" was the "Word" itself, not Christ. Remember, according to the Bible, there is only one God. And that God is the Father (not the Son). If you believe that the "Word" was Christ Himself as God and make Himself into flesh. Then it would result as God became Jesus Christ - this idea is biblically absurd. The Father and the Son are two distinct beings. No incarnation takes place. Now, by saying "the Word has made flesh", it means that the "plan" of God ceoncerning Christ was fulfilled. Meaning, the promise of God, since the beginning, about having Christ in the future has taken place.
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Jn 8:58:... before ABRAHAM, Christ said, "I am".
True, since the world was made through Jesus Christ. Christ was indeed before us all in the sense that God made a "plan" concerning Him. The Bible tells us that there is no pre-existent Christ. He was not there before He was born.
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Jn 10:30... read it again. Christ didn't say "I and my Father are one God." He only said "I and my Father are one." In what sense they are one? Read the previous verses, you will know that He was talking about the "caring of the flock." God and Jesus are one in accord of taking care of the flock. The people tried to stone Him because they thought Christ was claiming to be God. But Christ rebuked them because of what they have thought. Jesus was only proclaiming that He is the Son of God... not the God Himself. You can read that if you finish the verse.
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Jn 14:28, there's no wrong with the verse. Christ only proclaims that God is in Him. It is not the same as saying that He is God Himself. God is doing everything through Christ. The miracles, signs and wonders... everything was done only by God THROUGH Jesus Christ. For Christ Himself proclaimed that He can do nothing without God. In fact, the God Himself declared that He is everywhere. He can be in you, He can be in me.
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🙂 Now, I think I don't need to clarify the rest.