Well, if you really are reading my posts... it's not me who said that there's any contradiction in the Bible concerning Juda's Death, right? 🙄
Ask the one who is telling that. I'm asking the same thing, anyway.
And, btw... it's not off-topic. Finti and I were having discussion about evidences regarding Jesus in the Bible. 🙂
Re: This question Irks me. How is Jesus God?
Originally posted by DanieLs_4_EverIt's a mistery. I don't belive God is a mistery and I don't believe in the trinity. I'm not saying jesus can't be god, but if he is then who is the hoy ghost. If jesus is god then I'm god and every born again believer is god.
"Holy mary mother of GOD.... .. " Well, how the frig can Mary be Mother of God when the earth was CREATED by God and Jesus is Mary's son? Im all confuzzled on this junk. If Mary was blessed with a child by God, how was Jesus <God> The one to be put into her stomach?
Originally posted by JuryIf it's not a biblical concept and they know that why do they teach it?
"Holy Mary, mother of God..."Sorry, it can't be found in the Bible. 🙂
The only true God is Christ's God, who is the Father in heaven. According to Christ Himself.
Mary, according to herself, is none other than a servant of God. 🙂
And the Trinity doctrine is not a Biblical concept, according to the Trinitarians and Catholic theologians themselves.
🙂
The closest thing he said to being god is I and my father are one. The bible has a lot of idioms and the jews knew that.He was using a metaphor but they wanted to kill him anyway and they were looking for an excuse so they said you being a man make yourself a god. He said is it not written in your law I have made you gods, but the trinitarians don't read that part.
Re: This question Irks me. How is Jesus God?
Originally posted by DanieLs_4_Ever
"Holy mary mother of GOD.... .. " Well, how the frig can Mary be Mother of God when the earth was CREATED by God and Jesus is Mary's son? Im all confuzzled on this junk. If Mary was blessed with a child by God, how was Jesus <God> The one to be put into her stomach?
well if ur a muslim then u don't hav 2 worry abt that cuz v blieve that there is 1 God only 1 with no son or daughter or watever n v do blieve in Jesus n Mary but not that they r God's relatives
I looked up a website and it uses biblical evidence to say he is god anyway, listen to this.
who and what was Jesus Christ. The Roman governor of Judea, Pontius Pilate, faced a difficult situation when Jesus was brought before him. apprehensively, he attempted to dismiss the picture that was emerging in front of him. when Pilate heard the accusation, it struck fear into his heart. "He has claim to be the son of god" (John 19:7) Pilate's next question betrayed his fear that he was not dealing with an ordinary man. he had just been given a message from his wife, who received a warning in a dream not to have anything to do with this innocent man. (Matthew 27:19). Pilate himself knew that Jesus had been delivered to him because the chief priests were jealous of and despised him (verse 18). Yet Pilate couldn't avoid his date with destiny.
He next asked Jesus, "Where are you from?" (john 19:9). Pilate already knew he was a Galilean. But what geographical area this Jewish teacher came from was not the question. Where are you really from is what Pilate wanted to know. Jesus was silent. his claim to be the son of god had already answered this question. but Pilate did not have the courage to deal with this answer.
Accepting the real answer would have made all the difference. The apostle Paul said that none of the rulers of this world knew who Jesus was, where he came from and his purpose for coming, "for had they known, they would not have crucified the lord of glory" (1 Corinthians 2:8).
Pilate could not face this issue. he knew what was right in this instance, but he feared losing power. he feared Caesar's reaction if it were reported that he did not deal with someone who posed a threat to roman control in the region (john 19:12). He feared a popular uprising if he did not agree to the Jewish leaders' political demands. He also feared Jesus, because he was not quite sure with whom he was dealing.
AVOIDING A DIFFICULT CHOICE
in the end political expediency won out. the stage was set to both indict all mankind of guilt and make provision for their forgiveness. Pilate gave the order for Jesus to be crucified. the reality was denied, left for all to confront at a later time.
most of us tend to ignore unpleasant realities and make choices that we think are beneficial to us. confronted with evidence as to who Jesus really was, would you face a reality that is too difficult for you to accept? deep down, maybe we intuitively realize it would change life as we know it. So perhaps it's better, we reason, not to look into this matter too deeply to leave ourselves an out. That's the route Pilate took.
but this is where we have to begin. who, really was Jesus of Nazareth? where did he really come from? if we understand that, it explains everything he did and said.
most see Jesus as a teacher, a wise man, a Jewish sage who died an unjust and horrible death and founded a great religion.
is there more to it than that? one of the most controversial topics is the true identity of Christ-and at the same time it is perhaps the most crucial. it lies at the Christian faith. what this entails is the understanding that Jesus was not simply an extraordinary human being, but that Jesus was actually god in human flesh.
but if he was god in the flesh, how was he god? this is the part that is often neglected in many explanations-and, as a result, many have difficulty grasping how this could be.
jesus certainly regarded himself as much more than only a man, prophet or teacher.
some say jesus made no claims to be god. some scholars even insist that, years later, leaders of the christian church concocted and edited into the record the titles jesus used, the miracles and his claims and actions that showed he believed he was god. in other words, the argument is that the record has been fabricated and the jesus portrayed in the new testament is a legend, theological product of the early church.
However, this is historically impossible for several reason's the least of which is that immediately after the death and resurrection of jesus, the church grew explosively based on the conviction that he was god. there was no time for a legend to develop around exaggerated claims of who jesus might be.
peter immediately preached jesus had been resurrected from the dead and that he was indeed the christ and lord and equated him with god (acts 2:27, 34-35). the disciples and the church knew jesus was, as the powerful growth of the church shows.
the fact of the matter, staggering through, it is, is that jesus of nazareth was good in the flesh. this fact, which will further explore, is what makes Christianity unique and authoritative. if jesus was not god, then the christian faith doesn't differ in kind from other religions. if jesus was not god, those in the early christian church would have had no basis for their beliefs-beliefs that, in the words of their enemies, "turned the world upside down" (acts 17:6).
JESUS, THE I AM
perhaps the boldest claim jesus made about his identity was the statement, "most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM" (john 8:58). translated into English, his statement may appear or sound confusing. but in Aramaic or Hebrew language in which he spoke, he was making a claim that immediately led people to try and stone him for blasphemy.
which was going on here? jesus was revealing his identity as the actual one whom the Jews knew as god in the old testament. he was saying in one breath that he existed before Abraham and that he was the same being as the god of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
anciently when the great god first revealed himself to moses in exodus 3:13-14, moses asked him what his name was. "I AM WHO I AM," was the awesome reply. "thus you shall say to the children of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.
jesus clearly claimed to be the same being's "I AM" of exodus 3:14, the god of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (verse 15).
"I AM" is related to the personal name of god in the old testament, the Hebrew name YAHWEH. when this name appears i our English bibles, it is commonly rendered using small capital letters as LORD. it is transliterated as "Jehovah" in some bible versions.
when jesus made this startling statement, the Jews knew exactly what he meant. they picked up stones to kill him because they thought he was guilty of blasphemy.
"I AM" and the related YAHWEH are the names of god that infer absolute timeless self-existence. although impossible to translate accurately and directly into English, YAHWEH conveys meaning of "the eternal one," "the one who always exists" or "the one who was, is always will be." These distinctions can apply only to god, whose existence is eternal and everlasting.
in Isaiah 42:8 this same being says, "I am the lord [YAHWEH], that is my name; and my glory I will not give to another, nor my praise to carved images." a few chapters later he says: "thus says the lord [YAHWEH], the king of Israel, and his redeemer, the lord of hosts: 'I am the first and the last; besides me there is no god" (Isaiah 44:6).
to the Jews, there was no mistaking who jesus claimed to be. He said he was the one the nation of Israel understood to be the one true god. by jesus making claim to the name "I AM," he was saying that he was god whom the Hebrews knew as YAHWEH. this name was considered holy that a devout Jew would not pronounce it. this was a special name for god that only can refer to the one true god.
Dr. Norman Geisler, in his book Christan apologetics, concludes: "in the view of the fact that Jehovah of the jewish old testament would not give his name, honor, or glory to another, it is little wonder that the words and deeds of jesus of nazareth drew stones and cries of blasphemy from first century Jews. the very things that Jehovah of the old testament claimed for himself jesus of nazareth also claimed.
JESUS IDENTIFIED WITH YAHWEH
Dr. Geisler goes on to list some of the ways jesus equated himself with YAHWEH of the old testament.
Jesus said of himself, "I am the good Shepherd" (john 10:11). David, in the first verse of the famous 23rd psalm, declared that the "The lord [YAHWEH] is my shepherd." Jesus claimed to be the judge of all men and nations (john 5:22,27). yet Joel 3:12 says the Lord [YAHWEH] is my light."
Jesus said, "I am the light of the world" (John 8:12). Isaiah 60:19 says, "the lord will be to you an everlasting light, and your God your glory." Also, David says in psalm 27:1, "The LORD [YAHWEH] is my light."
jesus asked in prayer that the father would share his eternal glory: "O father, glorify me together with yourself, with the glory which I had with yourself, with the glory which I had with you father before we world was" (john 17:5). yet Isaiah 42:8 says, "I am the lord, that is my name; and my glory I will not give to another."
Jesus spoke of himself as the coming bridegroom (matthew24:1). which is exactly how YAHWEH is characterized in Isaiah 62:5 and Hosea 2:16.
In revelations 1:17 jesus says he is the first and the last, which is identical to what YAHWEH says of himself in Isaiah 44:6 "I am the first and the last."
There is no question that jesus understood himself as the lord (YAHWEH) of the old testament.
I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE
The Jews confronted jesus on another occasion, asking him, '' How long do you keep us in doubt? If you are the christ, tell us plainly" (john 10:24). jesus' answer is quite revealing: "I told you, and you don't believe" (verse 25). The works he did were miracles that only god could do. they could not refute the miraculous works jesus did.
He made another statement that incensed them: "I and my father are one" (verse 30). that is, The father and jesus were both divine. Again
there was no mistaking the intent of what he said, because "then the Jews took up stones again to Son him" (verse 31).
Jesus countered, "many good works I have shown you from my father. For which of those works do you stone me?" The Jews responded, "for a good work we do not stone you, but for blasphemy, and because you, bing a man, make yourself God" (verses 32-33).
The Jews understood perfectly well what Jesus meant. He was telling them plainly of his divinity.
The gospel of john records yet another instance in which Jesus infuriated the Jews with his claims of divinity. It happened just after Jesus had healed a crippled man at the pool of Bethesda on the sabbath. The Jews sought to kill him because he did this on the sabbath, a day on which the law of God had stated no work was to be done (which the misinterpreted to include what Jesus was doing).
Jesus made then made a statement that the Jews could take in oly one way: "my father has been working until now, and I have been working." Their response to his works? "Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill him, because he not only broke the sabbath [according to their interpretation of it], but also said that God was His father, making him equal with God" (john 5:1-18).
Jesus was equating his works with God's works and claiming God as his father in a special way.
I have alot more information on this but it is long and I'm running out of time and I have to go to work soon, I will write more about this after work.