Originally posted by Anakin2Vader
The problem with the Yoda line is that no one wants to see Yoda really go out on the losing side and then admit defeat... Id rather them fight each other for a while evenly until The Emperor gets help from his Stormtroopers and overwhelms Yoda forcing him to make his escape. just my opinion
Well it just makes the story better and more exciting. And it's not what the fans were expecting so it's pretty much the perfect idea.
it all sounds very cool!!!....i won't hold it against yoda if he loses a fight, seems like some people watch these films as if they were WWF wrestling or something......happy about the possibility of dagobah appearing, i got my hopes up when i saw production art for it listed on the trading card list.....although now they've cast doubts on qui gonn appearing again, i guess they mean he will just be a voice, like ep II....then again i trust these new spoilers from tfn less than recent mf ones.....dunno, just a feeling.....and when they say "snippet", do they mean anakin's japor snippet?......damn, looks like i might have to visit tfn *crosses self*......
from Motee(Ternian)
A few of you asked me about the pic with Obi-Wan standing outside the surgery talking to this droid. This happens at the beginning of the scene.
DROID
All organic damage has been repaired and this systemic failure cannot be explained.
Also, the pic of Obi, Yoda and Bail at the Conference Table on the Tantive IV is the beginning of the discussions concerning Beru and Owen, Alderaan, Tatooine, and Yoda's surprise comment to Obi-Wan.
Qui-Gon doesn't tell Yoda to go to Dagobah.
Okay, I'll answer some of this the best I can.
* I always assumed that the conference pic was Obi, Yoda and Bail returning to the Senate. I can confirm it is after PADME's death.
* I am under the impression that Obi-Wan gets the lightsaber from GG. However, it could be just another lie he tells to Luke
Yoda thought he could defeat the Sith should they appear - this was his arrogance. He did get totally creamed by Sidious.
""* I always assumed that the conference pic was Obi, Yoda and Bail returning to the Senate. I can confirm it is after PADME's death""....------ i dont understand that...does that mean that Yoda goes back to the senate with Obi Wan and Bail after losing to Sids earlier?
""* I am under the impression that Obi-Wan gets the lightsaber from GG. However, it could be just another lie he tells to Luke""... -------im lost here to ... when did obi wan say anything about gettin a lightsaber from greivous? (i know de dosnt)
New stuff from Tern, posted @ TFN...
Many questions are now answered.
1) Palpatine changes into Sidious the first time he uses Sith Lightning.
2) In the Senate, Palpatine uses the attack on himself by the Jedi as an excuse for his appearence.
3) The Jedi die in the following order: Saesee, Agen, Kit, Mace.
The first two are dead in seconds. Kit has the coolest death knoll, imo.
try something along the lines of: "Look at what those Jedi murderers did to me with their evil sorcery!' The Senate goes beserk.
The Senate will have no trouble believing him. He has video evidence.
EPISODE III TERNIAN REPORT: A New Hope
January 26 2005
"My failure, this was. Failed the Jedi, I did." Master Yoda, Revenge of the Sith.
In a glass observation dome on a medical station in the Polis Massa Belt, Yoda speaks to the Force as he has done for a long time. The Force answers him with the voice of Qui-Gon Jinn.
Qui-Gon Jinn tells Yoda not to blame himself for what happened but Yoda insists that he had been too old, too rigid, he had not noticed the changes in the galaxy...
Yoda had not let The Order change with it, he never learnt the full depth of The Force. Qui-Gon defends the old Master. He also suggests that Yoda will have a lot of time to learn the ways of the Force and - with his help - he will be able to join with the Force and yet retain his consciousness, and, in time, maybe even physical form.
However, this sounds to Yoda like the idea of eternal life. Qui-Gon agrees and reminds him that eternal life is exactly what the Sith are looking for, but they'll never find it...
Qui-Gon states: "...by the release of self, not the exaltation of self. It comes through compassion, not greed. Love is the answer to the darkness."
Yoda admits he underestimated Qui-Gon's potential as a Jedi Master.
So Yoda decides to learn from Qui-Gon. Bowing, he declares,
"Qui-Gon, your apprentice, I gratefully become."
EPISODE III TERNIAN REPORT: A New Hope
January 26 2005
"My failure, this was. Failed the Jedi, I did." Master Yoda, Revenge of the Sith.
In a glass observation dome on a medical station in the Polis Massa Belt, Yoda speaks to the Force as he has done for a long time. The Force answers him with the voice of Qui-Gon Jinn.
Qui-Gon Jinn tells Yoda not to blame himself for what happened but Yoda insists that he had been too old, too rigid, he had not noticed the changes in the galaxy...
Yoda had not let The Order change with it, he never learnt the full depth of The Force. Qui-Gon defends the old Master. He also suggests that Yoda will have a lot of time to learn the ways of the Force and - with his help - he will be able to join with the Force and yet retain his consciousness, and, in time, maybe even physical form.
However, this sounds to Yoda like the idea of eternal life. Qui-Gon agrees and reminds him that eternal life is exactly what the Sith are looking for, but they'll never find it...
Qui-Gon states: "...by the release of self, not the exaltation of self. It comes through compassion, not greed. Love is the answer to the darkness."
Yoda admits he underestimated Qui-Gon's potential as a Jedi Master.
So Yoda decides to learn from Qui-Gon. Bowing, he declares,
"Qui-Gon, your apprentice, I gratefully become."
From Motee @ TFN /26/05:
*He is alone in this room until Padme's Death. The Bail enters and brings him back to the surgery.
The droid announces 'systemic failure' and she dies. They then have a conference about Luke and Leia, Alderaan and Tatooine, Beru and Owen and Yoda instructs Obi-Wan in a few things.
*Does Yoda tell/teach Obi-Wan the secret onscreen or is it implied that he teaches him offscreen at some point?
Totally offscreen. Why do you think he goes to Dagobah?
We never see Yoda travelling to Dagobah...just him inspecting his new home.
*Another apprentice, there is.
*That was my understanding. So that leads me back to my question from earlier:How do they know to name him Luke? Quite a big coincidence isn't it?
Padme names Luke in front of Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan delivers him to Beru and Owen.
It's that simple.
From Motee @ TFN: (re : the mace / sids confrontation)
Many questions are now answered.
1) Palpatine changes into Sidious the first time he uses Sith Lightning.
2) In the Senate, Palpatine uses the attack on himself by the Jedi as an excuse for his appearence.
3) The Jedi die in the following order: Saesee, Agen, Kit, Mace.
The first two are dead in seconds. Kit has the coolest death knoll, imo.
It's knell...my bad.
The Senate will have no trouble believing him. He has video evidence.
The original report posted at MF.COm was constructed from TWO sources.
I now have 1 complete source. From the end of Utapau - Mace's death.
"Darth Plagieus was my master.....(his face comes out of the shadow and suddenly he is an old decrepid man) Before I killed him"
Anakin almost kills Sidious - TWICE. Sidious says that line to Anakin the first time.
Anakin plays very little role in the Mace scene - bit he witnesses everything after Kit's Death.
Its a staged event.
Mace's confrontation was set up by Sidious.
Utapau, Anakin Vs. Sidious, Kashyyyk, Temple, Mace Vs. Sidious, Temple Massacre
The name Padme causes Mace's death...
"He can save Padme!" - Anakin.
from Motee
Guys, here is the way it turns out so far. Enjoy.
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MUSTAFAR
After Padme arrives on Mustafar in her sleek, silver Naboo skiff, she quickly exits the ramp and runs to Anakin. She begins to relay to Anakin Obi-Wan?s accusations about the massacre in the Jedi Temple.
However, instead of refuting the accusations, Anakin replies, "Obi-Wan's alive?" Padme starts to worry that Obi-Wan will track Anakin down and kill him. Anakin questions Padme to find out if she told Obi-Wan where he was. She replies that she didn't tell him.
Satisfied with her response, Anakin begins to lure Padme into a more deadly plan ? his plan ? to rid the galaxy of Palpatine.
He tries to convince Padme to let Palpatine declare himself Emperor. He states that the Republic needed to be destroyed; the Jedi, the Separatists... Once Palpatine unites everyone under his Empire, he will kill him, then Anakin and Padme can rule the galaxy together.
Padme is not happy with this, and just as she begins to tell him to stop, Anakin spots Obi-Wan exiting the ship.
"You?" growls Anakin, in a dark voice ? his eyes turning non-human.
Padme turns around to see Obi-Wan walking towards them
?Padme, move away from him,? says Obi-Wan calmly.
"Obi-Wan? No!? exclaims Padme. She turns back to her husband only to find him looking at her with intense anger.
?You...you brought him here?!? says Anakin dumbfounded.
Suddenly, Padme begins to gasp...Anakin uses the Force to choke her. Anakin tells her how much he loved her as Padme desperately tries to breathe.
?Let her go,? pleads Obi-Wan.
?You're not going to take her away from me,? adds Anakin. Anakin, in turn, blames Obi-Wan for turning her against him.
Anakin looks at Obi-Wan and replies, ?Never! And with that, Padme faints.
Obi-Wan races over and checks Padme's pulse. Anakin offers Obi-Wan a chance to leave ? ?for old time?s sake.? But Obi-Wan is on a mission to destroy the Sith.
As Threepio and Artoo drag Padme's body up to the ship, The Duel to destory Vader begins?
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POLIS MASSA
"If it's a girl... we were going to name her Leia..." says Padme as the birth of her daughter begins.
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In a glass observation dome on a medical station in the Polis Massa Belt, Yoda speaks to the Force as he has done for a long time. The Force answers him with the voice of Qui-Gon Jinn.
Qui-Gon Jinn tells Yoda not to blame himself for what happened but Yoda insists that he had been too old, too rigid, he had not noticed the changes in the galaxy...
Yoda had not let The Order change with it, he never learnt the full depth of The Force. Qui-Gon defends the old Master. He also suggests that Yoda will have a lot of time to learn the ways of the Force and - with his help - he will be able to join with the Force and yet retain his consciousness, and, in time, maybe even physical form.
However, this sounds to Yoda like the idea of eternal life. Qui-Gon agrees and reminds him that eternal life is exactly what the Sith are looking for, but they'll never find it...
Qui-Gon states: "...by the release of self, not the exaltation of self. It comes through compassion, not greed. Love is the answer to the darkness."
Yoda admits he underestimated Qui-Gon's potential as a Jedi Master.
So Yoda decides to learn from Qui-Gon. Bowing, he declares,
"Qui-Gon, your apprentice, I gratefully become."
Bail enters and tells Yoda that he is need in the surgery.
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SURGERY - POLIS MASSA
A medical droid approaches Padme. "It's a boy," it says. Padme reaches out and touches the infants head.
"Luke," she says. A second baby is baby is brought to her by the droid.
"It's a girl," says the droid. But Padme is no longer her self - she is delirious.
"Anakin!" she suddenly cries. Obi-Wan comforts her, telling her that Anakin is not there and that she has had twins.
Padme begins to talk, drifiting in and out of consciousness. "Anakin, I'm sorry. I'm so sorry... Anakin, please... I love you..."
Yoda enters the room and Obi-Wan shakes his head in sorrow. But then Padme regains consciousness for one last time and puts something into Kenobi's hand.
"Obi-Wan, there is still good in him... I know... there... is... still... "
As Padme Amidala Skywalker dies, Obi-Wan opens his hand and gazes upon a jaipor snippet.
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TANTIVE IV:
"My failure, this was. Failed the Jedi, I did." - Yoda.
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CONFERENCE ROOM, TANTIVE
Obi-Wan hopes that should the Emperor discover one of them, the other will remain safely hidden from the Sith. However, when asked about training the infants, Yoda firmly states:
"Jedi training, the sole source of self-discipline is not. When right is the time for skills to be taught, to us the living Force will bring them. Until then, wait we will, and watch, and learn."
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MONTAGE
Luke is taken to the planet of Tatooine. The last image of Obi-Wan is of him riding off into twin suns settling across the Jundtland Wastes on the back of an Eeopie.
On the planet of Dagobah, Yoda inspects his new dewllings as the baby girl Leia is handed into the loving hands of the Queen of Aldeeran by the Prince Consort, Bail Organa.
Sector Governor TARKIN, DARTH VADER, and EMPEROR PALPATINE stand on the bridge of the Star Destroyer.
In the distance, the growing skeleton of a spherical battle station, the size of a small moon, begins to take shape..
here´s more stuff from Motee
He is alone in this room until Padme's Death. The Bail enters and brings him back to the surgery.
The droid announces 'systemic failure' and she dies. They then have a conference about Luke and Leia, Alderaan and Tatooine, Beru and Owen and Yoda instructs Obi-Wan in a few things.
We never see Yoda travelling to Dagobah...just him inspecting his new home.
The name Padme causes Mace's death...
Padme names Luke in front of Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan delivers him to Beru and Owen.
It's that simple.