Episode 3 is going to suck

I've tried to keep myself relatively distanced from the news telling us about Episode 3, but I've still read a few articles and news things here and there, on this messageboard as well as on the news pages on theforce.net, and you know what I think?
Most of the "cool" things I keep hearing about, which are going to be in this movie, are all action-scenes, lightsaber duels, amazing space battles and so on, which are all great and all, and partly what made the original classic trilogy so good, but at the same time, I feel like this movie is going to be total eye-candy.
It reminds me of the time before the two Matrix sequels came out, the producer Joel Silver kept saying in interviews how they were doing things with special effects that had never been done before, and how there were going to be incredible action scenes and so on and so forth, and the fans (including myself) just completely ate it up, and in the end it turned out that yes, the Matrix sequels had pretty damn impressive action scenes, but ultimately they were complete crap - poor script, acting that was average at best, no real emotional or moving scenes, etc etc.
The final Matrix film in particular was just one 2-hour long action scene.
I have a feeling that Episode 3 will be the same. I've heard there will be eleven planets in the film?!? And I don't remember how many lightsaber duels I've heard about, but I know it's a lot. Certain insiders have said how more than one of these duels will be longer and more in-depth that the duels in TPM or AOTC.
Add to this, many issues and lose ends that the film needs to address, such as the whole thing about why certain Jedis disappear and others don't (which Lucas said will be revealed in some way or another), the forming of the Empire, Anakin's final change into Darth Vader, the birth of the twins and their subsequent adoption by the Lars couple and Bail Organa, the ending of the Clone Wars, Yoda and Obi-Wan going into hiding...the list goes on and on.
Therefore, the only way this film will work is if we go into Lord-of-the-Rings-Extended-Edition style. i.e. a 4 or 5 hour long movie, which in itself would be extremely difficult to watch in one sitting.
This film is a hugely daunting task. If Lucas and his team could hardly pull off 2 properly, which in terms of content, was a breeze compared to this, then why should we expect them to succeed in making Episode 3 work? It's going to have awesome action scenes, I have no doubt of that, and I'd even go as far to say that when I see it at the cinema I'll probably really enjoy all the lightsaber duels and space battles and so on. But that kind of eye-candy is only fun the first two or three times you see it. If Episode 3 is going to work, Lucas has to address the aforementioned issues and plots in a moving/touching/dramatic manner, like Kirshner did perfectly in TESB.
I just can't see him doing this.

Sorry for the length of this post, and sorry for being so negative. I just think realistically this film will fail.

Jim

**Tumble weed**

Don't worry mate, I kinda feel the same way.

It seems like TOO MUCH for a Star Wars movie. I don't know how long the "taling" scenes are going to be, but I hope there is SOME development.

I won't say Episode 3 is gonna suck, although I won't say it's gonna rock either.

it will be really long
but still star wars is star wars

Right, I'm off to the Harry Potter forum to tell Harry Potter fans that the next HP film's going to be crap.

Or I might just save my energy - I can't decide...

Who cares- even if it does fail star wars will always remain arguably the best sci-fi ever. People will always love star wars regardless of a little bit a negativity here and there.
But. I personally think that the third movie will be very good.

plz close

i dont see that we should reply to someones personal opinions, so atleast change the name of the thread

4 - 5 hours extended? i dont think so. the most he could squeeze in would be about 2 1/2 hours. just cause they say theres going to be 11 planets in the film, doesnt mean they need to spend 20mins on each one. you underestimate the power of George Lucas. that....is why you fail.

We've got nothing to fear from. I've put enough trust in GL and I know Episode 3 will deliver. Just give it a chance. You won't know until you've seen the movie.

true SMX!TRUE

Originally posted by Stunrun
plz close

i dont see that we should reply to someones personal opinions, so atleast change the name of the thread

I would have thought it's fairly obvious that by posting my opinion on a messageboard I was wondering what your own opinions are, and was welcoming others to reply with their views. That's how it's worked on other msgboards I've been to.
If that's not good enough, fair enough, the title should add "what are your views?" I dont know how to change it though, so maybe a moderator will have to do it.

Anyway, someone give me one good reason why they think this movie will be anything more than just action and special effects, when George Lucas has shown us with the previous two films that that is the only thing he is actually good at making anymore: just plain and simple eyecandy.
When he tries to write romance it comes out as pure cheese, when he tries to write inspiring Jedi quotes they come out as pretentious drivel, and when he tries to write moving emotional moments like we were used to in the Classic Trilogy they're just plain BORING.

im glad i dont see the PT the way youd do✅ but we all have opinions at the end of the day 😎

Well i'll admit, I'm actually quite fond of TPM. Once I got past the annoyance of Anakin's lines ("Are you an angel?" particularly irritated me) and many poor script points (the part where Anakin is figuring out the right buttons in the naboo starfighter at random is just silly), I did eventually see it as a fairly decent movie. It's dull in places, but its fun and I loved Qui-Gon's character.
Episode 2 though is the film that particularly annoys me. I can only think of one or two parts of it I actually liked, and I've seen it several times. One was the scene with Anakin and Obi-Wan talking outside Padme's room while she's asleep - I enjoyed some of the comments they were making as fellow Jedi friends. The other scene I liked I can't even remember. The rest of the film was terrible. Good action yes (Yoda's lightsaber duel was great) but these films need more than that now, at least for me.
If you can enjoy SW films just purely on the basis of their cool battles and duels then that's fine, and you're very lucky, because you'll probably be very impressed with Episode 3.
But I personally can't help but wish they had more substance, like the Classical Trilogy did.

I hated the first two so I have to agree with you.The first two just dont have the magic that the predessors do and since the first two sucked so bad,there is no reason to believe this one wont suck as well.

Originally posted by shockimebones

Anyway, someone give me one good reason why they think this movie will be anything more than just action and special effects, when George Lucas has shown us with the previous two films that that is the only thing he is actually good at making anymore: just plain and simple eyecandy.

how about anakins struggle with the darkside? the destruction of the jedi? uprising of the galactic empire? enslavery of the galaxy? death of padme?

none of these rely on heavy effects to portray the feelings involved.

the teaser was supposed to get all the casual moviegoers ready for ep3, because a lot of ep2 viewers would have found it disappointing. if they see ep3 as having more action scenes, they want to see it. marketing my friend, just marketing for the average moviegoer. the real 'meat' of the characters and emotions will be shown during the film.

just wait and have faith that george lucas will render us all speechless.

by the way, i disagree about your sig mr parker. spiderman is one of the best, well done comic to movie adaptations ever made.

Originally posted by Mist
by the way, i disagree about your sig mr parker. spiderman is one of the best, well done comic to movie adaptations ever made.

Especially Sp2

At the end of the day its gona be a typical star wars movie. It will have moments that will blow EVERYONE away and will have moments that will have fans bitching for years to come. And thats the beauty of star wars. Very few movies can create so much passion in people. Like the majority I'm going to see it with an open mind, if it sucks it sucks, I'll still go and see it at least three times and watch it endlessly on DVD for years to come. I'm a fool I know but again, thats star wars for you.

yes, we true fans really need to get out more...

you know, its very possible to tie in character twists and emotional struggles into an action sequence. i feel like the obi ani duel will render that of the luke/vader duel in ESB, very heart wrenching. the story of this film will be very dark, and at the same time very dramatic. thats one of the things that draws us to this final chapter, and thats why it seems like the mojaority of the SW lover's fav. movie out of all three is ESB because it ended damaticaly. the story in general is an uplifting one (PT) but this ending chapter ends with death and sorrow, which will be unlike any of the other SW films and will attract eveyone including non-SW fans. action- one of my most favorite things in a movie, will inter-twine with drama and emotion- things that make a movie emotonal, and that is what will make it reign in the film/SW industry. every fight will have a sense of emotion involved, seeing ani tear up his master will be totally scary and awesome and will def. remind us of things that happened in the PT. seeing ani kill mace windu will make us belive that there is much power involved in him and almost root for evil. these sub character plots are what interest the SW fans, and to see it fall into despair will have us emotional at the end of the movie. this movie will rock our little SW fan minds and we will charish this ending film forever.