Originally posted by Alfheim
I dont see how there is NO evidence, please elaborate. I never really got into a proof of god debate on here.
well, what evidence is there of God (or whichever you want to call it) that cannot and can never have a naturalistic explanation?
Note: The question is not "what is there that humans cannot answer" because that would assume that there are no naturalistic things that humans cannot understand, which is a logical fallacy.
Originally posted by inimalist
well, what evidence is there of God (or whichever you want to call it) that cannot and can never have a naturalistic explanation?
Well...if I understand what you're saying...I could say that the universe is proof of God's existance but the naturalistic explanation could be the big bang for example?
Originally posted by inimalist
Note: The question is not "what is there that humans cannot answer" because that would assume that there are no naturalistic things that humans cannot understand, which is a logical fallacy.
.......uhhhh....that does kinda sound like what you're saying above, but even if you could apply a naturlastic explanation for me that doesnt refute existance of god.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Well...if I understand what you're saying...I could say that the universe is proof of God's existance but the naturalistic explanation could be the big bang for example?.......uhhhh....that does kinda sound like what you're saying above, but even if you could apply a naturlastic explanation for me that doesnt refute existance of god.
which was the point of my first post
I have no interest in refuting the existence of god or whatever. My question to you is what evidence is there that this thing exists. If the best evidence you have is that I cannot explicitly disprove its existence (which is impossible to do anyways) then I don't think you have made a very good case.
You talk about the origins of the universe. a) Well, at least you have selected a topic at the most abstract reaches of our current understanding as to make it impossible for anyone, even those learned in the subject (which I am not), to do anything but speculate, that does set a good standard. The universe only originated once, or at least once since we have been here (or here this time depending on how cyclical one thinks the universe is), there has been no chance to study it. Hiding one's beliefs in the most inaccessable of knowledge does not benefit ones argument. b) Many learned people have made models and have speculated on how the universe could have originated naturally based on evidence. While these cannot absolutly disprove the existance of God, you must explain why what we do know shows more clearly that the universe was created by something and did not originate from nothing. For instance, people have done the calculations and found that the universe originated 0 energy, there was no action potential before the existance of the universe. This is exactly what one would expect if the universe originated naturally from nothing. Again, not disproof, but why does that finding support a supernatural cause. What supernatural model are you presenting that better explains the observations.
Originally posted by lil bitchinessToo few are open to a bigger possibilities, but instead cling to what they've been programmed to think, huh.
Not for everyone. It might be obvious to you, but to a lot of people, it is not, or they are merely refusing to accept any other possibility other than what they think.
It's very sad.
A little etymology sure would clear a lot of problems up.
People should go back 4000 years, become a Jew then come here and post what things really means..
And this:
Originally posted by debbiejo
Too few are open to a bigger possibilities, but instead cling to what they've been programmed to think, huh.It's very sad.
A little etymology sure would clear a lot of problems up.
People should go back 4000 years, become a Jew then come here and post what things really means..
And this:
Indeed. Strong atheists and theists are the same in that retrospect. Clinging to what they know, discarding any other possibilities.
Originally posted by debbiejo
Yeah, many fall into the categories of1. Scared to look.
2. Pessimistic.
Or they might be sad selfish people who take their lives for granted and don't appreciate what they have. That's the problem in America and UK, this whole thickness of "Not my business". Put them in a Third World country for a day and see how long it takes for them to thank someone they don't live there.
Originally posted by lil bitchinessUmm, no. I'm a strong Atheist but I will admit when I'm beaten and when God has been proven. The thing is though, unless proven, which it hasn't, God is automatically false.
Indeed. Strong atheists and theists are the same in that retrospect. Clinging to what they know, discarding any other possibilities.
Originally posted by Kevy2007For sure.......they'd be rich and very thankful! If a person can find gratitude in simple things like the aromas coming from outside kitchens, and smiles, and gentle breezes along with smiles of appreciation, they'd get a different view....People are spoiled to STUFF AND THINGS.
Or they might be sad selfish people who take their lives for granted and don't appreciate what they have. That's the problem in America and UK, this whole thickness of "Not my business". Put them in a Third World country for a day and see how long it takes for them to thank someone they don't live there.
Originally posted by Kevy2007
Or they might be sad selfish people who take their lives for granted and don't appreciate what they have. That's the problem in America and UK, this whole thickness of "Not my business". Put them in a Third World country for a day and see how long it takes for them to thank someone they don't live there.
Why should they be thankful?? Stop being such an ignorant c unt you wee wanker. How about I take you to the 70's in Northern Ireland when the troubles started. The people there had a tough time growing up while spoilt s hites like you now whine about life while spending their time on the internet. Grow up, you could be living in worser places.
Originally posted by Kevy2007
Why should they be thankful?? Stop being such an ignorant c unt you wee wanker. How about I take you to the 70's in Northern Ireland when the troubles started. The people there had a tough time growing up while spoilt s hites like you now whine about life while spending their time on the internet. Grow up, you could be living in worser places.
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