God or No God?

Originally posted by svetlu
if theres a god why do innocent people get hurt and killed every day ?
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If there is none else besides the Creator, why does He send us pain? He doesn't. He is benevolent. He made us egoistic, and that egoismism what pains us because it is opposite from Him. So why did He make us opposite from Him? Becouse otherwise we wouldn't know what it means to be like Him. We wouldn't have anything to compare it with. 🙂

He doesn't send us pain, we do. It's OUR fault that people die because of war and famine, and it's OUR fault that we're nothing like him.

We're the ones who kill people and love ourselves above others, not him.

Originally posted by BananaKing
He doesn't send us pain, we do. It's OUR fault that people die because of war and famine, and it's OUR fault that we're nothing like him.

We're the ones who kill people and love ourselves above others, not him.

Everyone dies.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Everyone dies.

Originally posted by BananaKing
People have never needed to die in pain, but yet again, sin is of large in this world.

Even saints have died in pain.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Even saints have died in pain.

Only due to others sin.

Originally posted by BananaKing
Only due to others sin.

I think you have missed my point.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I think you have missed my point.

Lol, ok, could you clarify?

Originally posted by BananaKing
Lol, ok, could you clarify?

Every person is born, suffers, and dies. This is the Saha world (the world of suffering).

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Every person is born, suffers, and dies. This is the Saha world (the world of suffering).

Yes, people are born, they suffer, they die.
That won't ever change due to the sin caused by the evil of others.

Originally posted by BananaKing
Yes, people are born, they suffer, they die.
That won't ever change due to the sin caused by the evil of others.

The sins of others have nothing to do with it.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The sins of others have nothing to do with it.

It does though!
Have you heard of the Chaos theory? Well sin IS chaos. And sin increases the likelihood of things randomnly happening.

Originally posted by BananaKing
It does though!
Have you heard of the Chaos theory? Well sin IS chaos. And sin increases the likelihood of things randomnly happening.

What about organized chaos?

Originally posted by BananaKing
It does though!
Have you heard of the Chaos theory? Well sin IS chaos. And sin increases the likelihood of things randomnly happening.

Christian interpretations of sin have nothing to do with chaos theory, which is a mathematical model more closely associated with determinism (which also contradicts Christian free will) than anything resembling morality. A sin is a determined choice with tangible affects on the world, but to say that sin = chaos and that non-sin = order is a gross misunderstanding of the scientific concepts you're tossing about, and also a misunderstanding of human behavior as well as the subjective nature of our experience of reality.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Christian interpretations of sin have nothing to do with chaos theory, which is a mathematical model more closely associated with determinism (which also contradicts Christian free will) than anything resembling morality. A sin is a determined choice with tangible affects on the world, but to say that sin = chaos and that non-sin = order is a gross misunderstanding of the scientific concepts you're tossing about.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Christian interpretations of sin have nothing to do with chaos theory, which is a mathematical model more closely associated with determinism (which also contradicts Christian free will) than anything resembling morality. A sin is a determined choice with tangible affects on the world, but to say that sin = chaos and that non-sin = order is a gross misunderstanding of the scientific concepts you're tossing about, and also a misunderstanding of human behavior as well as the subjective nature of our experience of reality.

God is Order, that's why he has order over the universe.
Satan is Chaos, which is rebellious.

Originally posted by debbiejo
What about organized chaos?

As in fractals and the like?

Originally posted by debbiejo
Well many churches teach that Satan is the author of chaos or confusion.

I realize this, but that still has nothing to do with Chaos Theory. It's using the terms in a completely different manner.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
As in fractals and the like?

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I realize this, but that still has nothing to do with Chaos Theory. It's using the terms in a completely different manner.

God has power over everything, Satans power is limited.
So what god tells us is good, is right and causes good things, anything that rivals what he says causes the opposite, which increases the likelihood of The Chaos Theory.