How does it help my case? Because I brought up 2 examples, not just the one you mentioned - Thor. I mentioned Herc as well, who is often described as the greatest H2H combatant in Olympus, with thousands of years of experience under his belt, and a better fighter than Thor. (Admitted by Thor himself)
Yet Hulk has beaten Herc to within an inch of his life to the point he had to be saved by big daddy Zeus.
Yes, I already admitted that MOST the time Thor uses his hammer with Hulk whilst ignoring his other powers. This is CIS of course. Yet that hammer is still a weapon, and one he hurls at Hulk for a long range advantage, and throws some mystical lightning in for good measure. These are still advantages that an unarmed character would not have, yet Hulk overcomes it and succeeds in going toe to toe with a character that is likely WW's superior.
I think this shows Hulk in a very good light and makes my case quite well.
Originally posted by iceman24567
Thor and Wonder Woman are two completely different characters they also fight very different so i don't see how comparing them helps your case. Thor for the most part is contempt with brawling with Hulk a lightning blast or two maybe but mostly Hammer vs fist melee. Wonder Woman on the other hand would be ok with ending the fight as quickly as possible whether it be via lasso or decapitation
Originally posted by ctnn1
How does it help my case? Because I brought up 2 examples, not just the one you mentioned - Thor. I mentioned Herc as well, who is often described as the greatest H2H combatant in Olympus, with thousands of years of experience under his belt, and a better fighter than Thor. (Admitted by Thor himself)Yet Hulk has beaten Herc to within an inch of his life to the point he had to be saved by big daddy Zeus.
Yes, I already admitted that MOST the time Thor uses his hammer with Hulk whilst ignoring his other powers. This is CIS of course. Yet that hammer is still a weapon, and one he hurls at Hulk for a long range advantage, and throws some mystical lightning in for good measure. These are still advantages that an unarmed character would not have, yet Hulk overcomes it and succeeds in going toe to toe with a character that is likely WW's superior.
I think this shows Hulk in a very good light and makes my case quite well.
Honestly, you do not have to say all of this to prove that wwh is more powerful than her because he just is. Wwh is stronger and far more durable than her. The only chance that she really have is her lasso. Her speed is irrelevant since the hulk WILL tag her. Her strength is irrelevant since she is incapable of koing him.
Wonder woman is a physical character and that will be her downfall in this fight. Her lightning isn't doing a d*** thing to him or her punches... her ace in the whole is her lasso but I can't see wwh given her the time t breath, he will be all over her.
Originally posted by carver9
I agree with the lasso and forgot about it.As for your superman and wonder woman fighting a tremendous speeds... there is nothing to prove this.
Was cis taken off in this fight because if so, I'm giving wondy the majority via lasso, if not wwh 7 or 8/10. He is just to powerful for her.
This comment makes it seem like either you don't believe Superman and Wonder Woman can fight at faster speeds than the Hulk (lol) or that for some reason when fighting one another they would both fight at (for them) absurdly slow speeds.
Neither of these are logical beliefs.
Originally posted by carver9
Honestly, you do not have to say all of this to prove that wwh is more powerful than her because he just is. Wwh is stronger and far more durable than her. The only chance that she really have is her lasso. Her speed is irrelevant since the hulk WILL tag her. Her strength is irrelevant since she is incapable of koing him.Wonder woman is a physical character and that will be her downfall in this fight. Her lightning isn't doing a d*** thing to him or her punches... her ace in the whole is her lasso but I can't see wwh given her the time t breath, he will be all over her.
Are you suggesting that WWH will speedblitz WW?
True, you could chalk it up to Thor letting his ego get in the way as he cannot stand the idea of a mere mortal surpassing his strength. However, you need to keep in mind that Thor has also tried to kill Hulk before. Hulk has saved Thor's life before as Thor was slipping into "Warrior Madness" mode and oblivious to the danger around him. Yet he still engaged in a slugfest despite being in kill mode.
Your comment about Herc is just a wild guess though and not really based on anything we can use as a basis for comparison. I likewise doubt the mace would make any bit of difference as Hulk has so thoroughly dismantled Herc in the past on multiple occasions. Just my best guess of course, but if Herc felt it'd make such a big difference, then why hasn't he brought it to battle in the past when the whole state of NY was in danger, and mindless Hulk kicked the collective butts on Herc, IronMan, Vision, etc?
I just don't see it making much of a difference since Herc is more of a "hands on" fighter anyway and it'd just get in the way.
It takes a lot to KO Hulk when he's focused. Haven't seen WWH go down often. His focused rage seems to keep him in the game better than the raging outbursts of the Savage Hulk. If Hulk brings his thunderclaps into play and launches enough landscape at WW, he may be able to keep her from assaulting him from a distance, and force her to play up close - His specialty.
I suppose the outcome would depend on who plays the game smarter. Boils down to this questions:
Would Hulk recognize the danger WW poses from a distance and press the attack to keep her off balance, and engage her in h2h?
Would WW be overconfident and engage Hulk in h2h? Would she be aware that even at a distance, Hulk has the power and speed to launch at her 9 times faster than a .50 sniper round? (How would she react to this?
Would be interesting to be sure.
Originally posted by iceman24567
I don't consider Thor not using exotic abilities CIS though i also think Herc could Ko Hulk given his mace. I don't see Hulk tagging Wonder Woman enough to Ko her before she lassos him or Ko him via long distance lightning
Originally posted by Omega Vision
You've been consistently crushed by PR and others every time you try to lowball Superman and WW's speed. Don't even try that shit.This comment makes it seem like either you don't believe Superman and Wonder Woman can fight at faster speeds than the Hulk (lol) or that for some reason when fighting one another they would both fight at (for them) absurdly slow speeds.
Neither of these are logical beliefs.
None of this is what I am saying... what I am asking you for is PRROF of them fighting at high speeds or them fighting at the speeds that they used to fight people like despero and grundy.
Oh nnnnnoooo, I know for a fact that wondy and supes reflexes are above hulks AND thor (yeah, I said it rage) but what I am telling you is that neither of them fight like dbz characters in a fight, they are hittable and this has been proven a thousand times and "hulk will hit them" more times than not.
Originally posted by iceman24567
Another case of carver lowballing whats new?
Gladiator is my fave character and has on panel statements of him moving 100 times the speed of light but I would never say that people like superman or wonder woman or even the hulk wouldn't touch him because on panel proof takes all of this away.
I'm not low balling but I sure as hell don't blurt out stuff that isn't true.
hulks not really a speedblitz type character, but I don't think that's what he was saying. At least not what I got out of it. More along the lines of "pressing an attack."
Though Hulk doesn't speedblitz, and doubtful he could to a character such as WW, he can surprise his opponents with his astonishing speed for his size. Heck, even Supes was taken aback at how fast Hulk was. Coming from a fast as light character, that's quite the compliment!
So let's say Hulk launches at hypersonic speed to close the gap, and tags WW, and while she's down keeps pounding not giving her time to "breathe" - How's she going to pull the lasso in this instance? Hulk would have a major, major advantage at this point.
I think that's more along the lines he was saying, and it's a relevant comment, and plausible scenario. Sure, this is just ONE possibility of many, but fair question. If Hulk fights in a way to remove her advantage, what's to stop him from ending the fight then and there?
QUOTE=13089905]Originally posted by Omega Vision
Not give her a chance to breathe?
Are you suggesting that WWH will speedblitz WW? [/QUOTE]
100 times the speed of light is actually painfully slow by the standards of comic book travel speed. Superman, Green Lanterns, and the like have been known to move across Galaxies in hours or minutes, at 100x light speed it would take Glads more than 2 weeks to get from Earth to the nearest star Alpha Centauri.
Originally posted by carver9
None of this is what I am saying... what I am asking you for is PRROF of them fighting at high speeds or them fighting at the speeds that they used to fight people like despero and grundy.Oh nnnnnoooo, I know for a fact that wondy and supes reflexes are above hulks AND thor (yeah, I said it rage) but what I am telling you is that neither of them fight like dbz characters in a fight, they are hittable and this has been proven a thousand times and "hulk will hit them" more times than not.
You've also been pwned multiple times regarding the speed issue with DBZ. The problem is you're too dense to understand that speed is more than just what you see.
Originally posted by ctnn1Hercs mace definitely is more devastating than his own fists and i would still give Hulk the majority on him. 9 times fast than a 50 cal bullet? Hulk normally moves that fast? Curious not that it matters Wonder Woman has reflexes beyond Hulk she would react by flipping over him or some shit if she fights smart (which she does) when Hulk closes the distance she avoids his strikes or atleast blocks them the latter would probably still **** her up
True, you could chalk it up to Thor letting his ego get in the way as he cannot stand the idea of a mere mortal surpassing his strength. However, you need to keep in mind that Thor has also tried to kill Hulk before. Hulk has saved Thor's life before as Thor was slipping into "Warrior Madness" mode and oblivious to the danger around him. Yet he still engaged in a slugfest despite being in kill mode.Your comment about Herc is just a wild guess though and not really based on anything we can use as a basis for comparison. I likewise doubt the mace would make any bit of difference as Hulk has so thoroughly dismantled Herc in the past on multiple occasions. Just my best guess of course, but if Herc felt it'd make such a big difference, then why hasn't he brought it to battle in the past when the whole state of NY was in danger, and mindless Hulk kicked the collective butts on Herc, IronMan, Vision, etc?
I just don't see it making much of a difference since Herc is more of a "hands on" fighter anyway and it'd just get in the way.
It takes a lot to KO Hulk when he's focused. Haven't seen WWH go down often. His focused rage seems to keep him in the game better than the raging outbursts of the Savage Hulk. If Hulk brings his thunderclaps into play and launches enough landscape at WW, he may be able to keep her from assaulting him from a distance, and force her to play up close - His specialty.
I suppose the outcome would depend on who plays the game smarter. Boils down to this questions:
Would Hulk recognize the danger WW poses from a distance and press the attack to keep her off balance, and engage her in h2h?
Would WW be overconfident and engage Hulk in h2h? Would she be aware that even at a distance, Hulk has the power and speed to launch at her 9 times faster than a .50 sniper round? (How would she react to this?
Would be interesting to be sure.
Actually, Carver was lowballing Glads. Haha
Glads has crossed the Solar System in seconds - Far beyond a mere hundred times the speed of light - He's travelled at thousands, or even tens of thousands of times the speed of light based on distance traveled. I would say millions, but I am unsure if the galaxy crossing feat was Glads or not. I believe it was, but without certainty I will hold off on making the claim.
However, I'm not sure why you're arguing this point, as his point still stands. In truth, it wouldn't matter if it's 1 times the speed of light, or ten trillion - His point is that Gladiator, despite his massive speed advantage is consistently hit by Hulk, and was defeated by Hulk, just as Superman and WW are tagged over and over again on panel by characters without considerable speed.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
100 times the speed of light is actually painfully slow by the standards of comic book travel speed. Superman, Green Lanterns, and the like have been known to move across Galaxies in hours or minutes, at 100x light speed it would take Glads more than 2 weeks to get from Earth to the nearest star Alpha Centauri.Quit lowballing. You've been shown the evidence time and time again.
You've also been pwned multiple times regarding the speed issue with DBZ. The problem is you're too dense to understand that speed is more than just what you see.
Originally posted by Omega Visiongoing by comics, that is not absurd at all proposition
You've been consistently crushed by PR and others every time you try to lowball Superman and WW's speed. Don't even try that shit.This comment makes it seem like either you don't believe Superman and Wonder Woman can fight at faster speeds than the Hulk (lol) or that for some reason when fighting one another they would both fight at (for them) absurdly slow speeds.
Neither of these are logical beliefs.
it is in fact more absurd to assume someone Wondy will overwhelm Hulk with her speed
Yes, Hulk reaches those speeds and beyond. But I wouldn't say he does it regularly, but he has on panel done this on multiple occasions.
I hear what you're saying, but remember, Superman himself was tagged over and over again by Hulk, and commented on his surprising speed. So if Supes has a speed advantage on WW, and Hulk had no problem tagging him, why would it be any different with WW?
If she's standing there preparing herself to speedblitz, sure I can see her dodging such an attack. But if she's like Supes and thinking this is some big slow brute, I doubt she'd block Hulk flying at her like a missile.
Just a thought!
Originally posted by iceman24567
Hercs mace definitely is more devastating than his own fists and i would still give Hulk the majority on him. 9 times fast than a 50 cal bullet? Hulk normally moves that fast? Curious not that it matters Wonder Woman has reflexes beyond Hulk she would react by flipping over him or some shit if she fights smart (which she does) when Hulk closes the distance she avoids his strikes or atleast blocks them the latter would probably still **** her up
Originally posted by ctnn1
However, I'm not sure why you're arguing this point, as his point still stands. In truth, it wouldn't matter if it's 1 times the speed of light, or ten trillion - His point is that Gladiator, despite his massive speed advantage is consistently hit by Hulk, and was defeated by Hulk, just as Superman and WW are tagged over and over again on panel by characters without considerable speed.
No one here, not a goddamn person can show any evidence Gladiator was moving at his fastest combat speed in his fight with hulk, so i ask, if we have a character
- who can cross galaxies in panels amd has been shown ON PANEL speed blitzing IN COMBAT other Cosmic level entities -
that is fighting hulk at mere brawler speed, is it a fair assumption to say CIS or PIS is in play? don't answer that because there is only one answer. Hulk taking Glads in a brawl im fine with, hey it's frickin Hulk, NO ONE takes him in a h2h brawl, but people throw that hulk/glads fight around like it's conclusive of how a real FULLPOWERS UN HINDERED BY STORY fight would go.
It's not..Just saying.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
100 times the speed of light is actually painfully slow by the standards of comic book travel speed. Superman, Green Lanterns, and the like have been known to move across Galaxies in hours or minutes, at 100x light speed it would take Glads more than 2 weeks to get from Earth to the nearest star Alpha Centauri.Quit lowballing. You've been shown the evidence time and time again.
You've also been pwned multiple times regarding the speed issue with DBZ. The problem is you're too dense to understand that speed is more than just what you see.
I consider statement as a better assessment to a characters speed than kmc caculations. Let me explain why... gladiator was in another galaxy (shiar empire)... he decided to pay the xmen a visit and before cyclops was able to finish his sentence, gladiator was in new york... right in front of him. That alone makes him trillions of times the speed of light but that's just stupid and superman would get his head taken off by glads if he is this fast.
Now let me explain to you why I accept on panel statements over kmc. Because flash cleaned out a city before a nuke went off but it was stated that he was going the speed of light. Kmc did their caculation and came up with this obsurb figure... basically discrediting the writers own words. Now if flash was as fast as everyone stated that he went in that scan, he would never need the help that he tends to get when fighting zoom.
Stop saying that I am low balling... the only person that I low balled was glads since his statement of speed is far greater than anyone mentioned in this thread.