Should Emma Frost Stay With Cyclops? · X-Men

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Originally posted by crimsonphoenix
i wouldnt care if she was a regular teacher but as for co -head she hasnt (in my eyes) earned that yet. In the near future maybe. Now asuming jean comes back and takes on the role even if she wasnt with scott the Jean gets the co-head role.

A co-head is actually just a teacher who also has to know something about administration. So you agree that Emma can be a teacher but is not qualified for the administrative part of this job...the woman who co-run the Hellfire Club, her own institute and several commercial enterprises???

Since you name yourself crimsonphoenix i understand that you are a Jean fan, that's cool, but what exactly qualifies HER to run a school? She is not a teacher, scientist or has any significant buisness or leading experiences.
You yourself said:"Just because she is f-ing Scott doesnt mean she should co-head the school. That has always p*ssed me off. Its like saying if I was having s*x with Scott I should be the co-head." and now it's ok because the woman in question is Jean-Phoenix,"even if she wasnt with scott"now...or what exactly makes you think Jean DESERVES the position of headmistress?!

Btw...i would like to see us as friends in this forum! This is just a discussion about fictional characters and nothing really serious and having different opinions doesn't mean we have to hate each other. 🙂 😄

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i knew u or some one was going to bring up jean lol. she was one of the orignal students and xavier said that when he left he wanted her to run the school.
lets leave scott to run the school himself
or how about scott jean and emma... that would be good

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Originally posted by crimsonphoenix
i knew u or some one was going to bring up jean lol. she was one of the orignal students and xavier said that when he left he wanted her to run the school.
lets leave scott to run the school himself
or how about scott jean and emma... that would be good

The Professor also supported Emma in running her previous institute AND the current school, but this alone is not exactly a real quality, is it?!
Actually i think Scott is a real good team leader, but i am in doubt about his qualifications as a teacher...well, tactics or so perhaps.
So what else can you bring up in Jeans favour? 🙂

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she looks good in the phoenix suit......
and i have a second reason on why i picked my sn .its cuz i like the concept of phoenix(bird).
ummmmmmm
and i like the color crimson.

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Originally posted by crimsonphoenix
she looks good in the phoenix suit......

LOL 😆

eternitygoddess Senior Member

Frost is a self centered whore, yes I said it, who needs to crew up with someone else like Gambit.

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Emma Frost is my least-favorite character out of the entire Marvel and DC and all the comic universes. She is such a home-wrecker and a total b*tch. If I was Jean I would've screwed up her brain permanently instead of just screwing it a little.

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Emma Frost is has a rich and well characterised history and personality. She's an interesting character that adds a great deal to story dynamics.

I bet you're a Gambit fan. 😏

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Originally posted by eternitygoddess
Frost is a self centered whore, yes I said it, who needs to crew up with someone else like Gambit.
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Emma Frost is my least-favorite character out of the entire Marvel and DC and all the comic universes. She is such a home-wrecker and a total b*tch. If I was Jean I would've screwed up her brain permanently instead of just screwing it a little.

I said it once and i'm willing to say it again and again and again...

Originally posted by wannabe
Interesting how a woman who is sexually offensive and knows what she wants without succumbing to a hypocritical attitude towards sex is instantly labeled as a bi*ch or whore.
I think Emma and Scott make up a great couple!
Scott and Jean were sooo fifties/sixties...the strong, capable, emotion suppressing (and thus manly) Leader and his beautiful, yet decent, slightly motherly and supporting wife.
I like Jean, but that was 😘
Emma on the other hand is as strong a leader as Scott, is not afraid to argue with him and stand her ground, truly loves him and, most important, is loved in return by a Scott who doesn't feel the need to be afraid of sharing his emotions and desires with her, something he could not do with his either allmighty, evil or dead wife!
Emma might play the Bad Girl in front of the world, but when it comes to her relationship with Scott, she is quite caring and open and Scott knows what's behind her masks. It was this openness without shame, and i don't mean just the sexual side, that made him fall for Emma.
Whether you like it or not, it sounds like a really MATURE RELATIONSHIP that doesn't follow the regular clichés.

White Queen Junior Member

my sweets Emma may be a bi*ch but to love another puts that aside and Cyclops loves her as she does him. And if she is not ment to be with him who is she ment for Logan? NO matter what i or you say only time will tell on what is going to happen. Remember my sweets the old love may not be his true love ✅ 😍 and if somebody does not need love in their life it would b the man in this love triangel. But everyone needs love even it is from a prick or a bi*ch

katie_girl09 Senior Member

Originally posted by wannabe
Originally posted by wannabe
Interesting how a woman who is sexually offensive and knows what she wants without succumbing to a hypocritical attitude towards sex is instantly labeled as a bi*ch or whore.
I think Emma and Scott make up a great couple!
Scott and Jean were sooo fifties/sixties...the strong, capable, emotion suppressing (and thus manly) Leader and his beautiful, yet decent, slightly motherly and supporting wife.
I like Jean, but that was
Emma on the other hand is as strong a leader as Scott, is not afraid to argue with him and stand her ground, truly loves him and, most important, is loved in return by a Scott who doesn't feel the need to be afraid of sharing his emotions and desires with her, something he could not do with his either allmighty, evil or dead wife!
Emma might play the Bad Girl in front of the world, but when it comes to her relationship with Scott, she is quite caring and open and Scott knows what's behind her masks. It was this openness without shame, and i don't mean just the sexual side, that made him fall for Emma.
Whether you like it or not, it sounds like a really MATURE RELATIONSHIP that doesn't follow the regular clichés.

I think its interesting how people these days seem to have misconceptions about feminism and female empowerment. People these days seem to have this idea that a woman has to be either
(a) homicidal
(b) selfish
(c) wayward/sexually promiscous (well, what some call "sexually confident"😉
and/or (d) a total b****
in order to be a symbol of female empowerment.
That is totally not the case.
IMO, Emma IS a cliche. I think the b*tchy, beautiful blonde is kinda overdone.

katie_girl09 Senior Member

Originally posted by Nathaniel Grey
Frost is a self centered whore, yes I said it, who needs to crew up with someone else like [b]Gambit. [/B]

😂 OMG! "Emmy" instead of "Romy"? No way, I cannot see that!

White Queen Junior Member

Katie girl i agree with what you about people putting women in a few group

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The queen is here to stay 😈

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Originally posted by katie_girl09
I think its interesting how people these days seem to have misconceptions about feminism and female empowerment. People these days seem to have this idea that a woman has to be either
(a) homicidal
(b) selfish
(c) wayward/sexually promiscous (well, what some call "sexually confident"😉
and/or (d) a total b****
in order to be a symbol of female empowerment.
That is totally not the case.
IMO, Emma IS a cliche. I think the b*tchy, beautiful blonde is kinda overdone.

1) I was not talking about feminism and female empowerment. I was talking about selfexpression in general and how it is seen as immoral, when it's connected with open sexuality and being female.

2) OF COURSE Emma is a cliché...and she knows that! Why? Because she herself chose it to serve her. It's certainly not feminist and doesn't make her really happy either (look at her own mini series and several comments about her past with the Hellfire Club), but after all she is just a "normal" human, making very human mistakes. That's part of why i like her.

3) I was not talking about Emma being a cliché in the first place, but about the RELATIONSHIP between her and Scott, and that in private she doesn't need to use the cliché to be loved by him. Remember this...

Originally posted by wannabe
...Emma might play the Bad Girl in front of the world, but when it comes to her relationship with Scott, she is quite caring and open and Scott knows what's behind her masks. It was this openness without shame, and i don't mean just the sexual side, that made him fall for Emma.

katie_girl09 Senior Member

I was just saying that since you said Jean and Cyclops were too old-fashioned, that in my opinion Emma is a stereotype. You said in your previous postings that Emma was a strong leader and I was just saying that I do not see her as that. In fact, I resent her being headmistress because it seems as though she only got the position because she is Cyclops' latest playboy bunny. I know Marvel was probably trying to give an example of female empowerment by doing this, but to me it is offensive. Yeah sure she may have run a school before and everything, but I don't think she deserves it more than Jean or Storm. I think Storm is a much better example of a strong leader...

katie_girl09 Senior Member

Originally posted by wannabe
1) I was not talking about feminism and female empowerment. I was talking about selfexpression in general and how it is seen as immoral, when it's connected with open sexuality and being female.

Okay. But there is a thin line between being sexually open and being promiscuos... and I think that Emma crosses it.

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I hope when Cable rejoins the X-Men, he blows a hole in her head with a shot gun. Then he and Rachel will laugh..

insane genis Senior Member

emma frost reminds me of a domanatrix (wearing white)..i hope she dies sooner or later...or she sleeps with jean..what a good storyline that would be...then cyclops blasts her emma shuts off his brain and jean turns phoenix and kills evry1

White Queen Junior Member

My dear now what is so wrong with Emma that she needs a gun to her head? Darlings why not give scott the bullet to the brain he is not as good as he comes out to be. Emma might be cold at times but how would you know if she needs death. SO my sweets if any one in here needs to b put to death let it b your hate aginst Emma and let Scott die. 😈

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Originally posted by katie_girl09
I was just saying that since you said Jean and Cyclops were too old-fashioned, that in my opinion Emma is a stereotype.

I know, and i replied to make clear, that i was talking about a quality of the relationship itself, not about a quality of one of the persons participating in this relationship - you see the difference?!

Originally posted by katie_girl09
You said in your previous postings that Emma was a strong leader and I was just saying that I do not see her as that. In fact, I resent her being headmistress because it seems as though she only got the position because she is Cyclops' latest playboy bunny.

Isn't it a bit biased and cliché-thinking, that just because a person is attractive and very sexual, her achievements and positions are only a result of these qualities, not taking into account what else she has to offer?!
I highly doubt, that Prof.X made the fact, that Emma is sleeping with Scott, one of his reasons to trust her with the institute. Jean never made it to a leadership role and she slept with Scott too, btw!
What about the fact, that Emma is an accomplished teacher, has years of experience in administrating an educational institute and superpowered groups, is REALLY caring about her students and has a mutant power that pretty well supports her duties as headmistress?

Originally posted by katie_girl09
I know Marvel was probably trying to give an example of female empowerment by doing this, but to me it is offensive. Yeah sure she may have run a school before and everything, but I don't think she deserves it more than Jean or Storm.

Why exactly is it offensive to you? 🤨
What is that about DESERVING the position of headmistress anyway?
crimsonphoenix said something similar, but failed to conclusively explain what she meant with that. This position is more about qualification and responsibility than about honor and payment. And if you look unbiased upon the situation, you will see, that Emma is one of the most qualified persons among the X-Men, so...

Originally posted by katie_girl09
I think Storm is a much better example of a strong leader...

Yes, Storm is a very good team leader, no doubt! But she refused to stay at the institute, since she did not agree with Charles about how to lead it. And leading a combat team is something very different from administrating an educational institute, wouldn't you agree?!

Originally posted by katie_girl09
Okay. But there is a thin line between being sexually open and being promiscuos... and I think that Emma crosses it.

What is wrong about being promiscuos?
When you have a strong sexuality and are willing to experience sex with many different people, who are willing to do so too, then where is the problem?
Complicated it only gets, when you're not mature enough, your character's not steadfast enough, or someone gets involved, who doesn't share your sexual openness. Now that Emma is in a relationship with a monogamous partner, she respects his feelings, even encourages him to open himself emotionally and sexually, and she does that without turning into someone totally different. I find that pretty mature, nonhypocritical and healthy.