PSP vs. DS : Which Will Be Better?

Originally posted by Draco69
To Samas Adrian

Bloody teenagers. Nintendo still has to spend a large amount of money to produce, manufacture, and ship the games. The game companies give the game schematics to Nintendo. Nintendo puts the game schematics into the blank cartridge (that cost a lot to make) and produce them by hundreds. If the game did not make a lot of money, the game company who made the game loses the most money but Nintendo still loses a feasible amount. For the N64, the top-selling games had more profit than it did for the expenses. But for the other games the same could not be said. Nintendo lost money because of expenses and little profit.

Mario, Zelda and Metroid makes Nintendo a lot of money. But that's it. Nobody wants anything else. A few games cannot carry a company. The fact is Nintendo's stock is decreasing rapidly. This fact supports my argument.

Casual gamers outnumber hardcore gamers. Look at the titles coming out nowadays. It gears towards casual gamers. The Sims, GTA, Halo, etc. are all geared to hardcore gamers. Game companies took polls and found out that casual gamers far outweigh hardcore gamers.

Who do want? Nintendo, a company who's spiraling into bankruptcy (and almost did last year) or Sony, a company who's doing better than ever.

what polls? I havn't seen any polls, hey samas have you seen polls? I suscribe to 3 gaming publications, and constantly check the main online gaming sites (IGN, g4techtv(and it'swebsite) UGO ect. I NEVER once have ever heard about nintendo losing money in such a manner you describe. and a few games CAN carry a company. if X-box hadn't ever had halo, it's doubtful the console would have survived.

Mario 64 made the N64 a "HEY LOOK AT ME" must have holdiay item.

Originally posted by Rhino
those games are good, y r ppl saying they dont see any good games for psp?

because it launched in japan with so so games.

Sony doesn;t really have any stable sony "mascots". it has GTA, and GT, and the jack and daxter, and ratchet and clank, and sly cooper, but never has one single one been picked out as "THE" mascot(like sonic, or master chief, or mario). they didn't bring any titles easy to identify for launch titles.

ninto launched with a good game, mario 64 ds. people identified it easily,and said "ehy a mario game. those are always good". it helps sell the console

I say the DS, only because of the fact that what other portable or even console systems do you know of that have:

1. 2 screens
2. one being a touch screen
3. wireless communicative abilities (WiFi compatible too)

I have also played the DS and I think the controls are ingenius. The PSp is gonna suck because not only does it not have analog sticks, but it also has this big ass screen for a portable system, that has to be draining on the batteries, and I don't know about all of you, but I prefer to have the logest amount of play time before having to re-charge. I have to say the DS, all the way.

Robo, your right. I haven't seen any polls either. Maybe its in the Wall Street Journal. The bible of anything.
I havn't seen any evidence about being to the brink of bankruptcy. If it was true, I would think that it would be major news in the industry. Or evidence saying that Nintendo did not make any profit from the last two consoles.

True, if Halo wasnt bought by Microsoft the Xbox would of failed. Sony themselves have little mascots to sell a system. They were smart though in realising the last two consoles before Nintendo's. The same cant be said about the PSP, so i can see it not doing as well as the DS because of it.

To Robo and Samas

Halo doesn't even compare to the Nintendo's mascots. It's the highest grossing video game in history. Mascots don't mean anything. Super Mario Sunshine was to supposed to sell big, but its sells were very disappointing. If you think mascots make a video game company, you're kidding yourselves. Sony doesn't have a (official) mascot true enough. But it sells more video games than Nintendo and Microsoft combined. You're deluding yourself. And if you really want to learn more about Nintendo's stocks go to the Wall Street Journal website. *sigh* Nintendo fanboys 🙁

Originally posted by DracotheDragon
I say the DS, only because of the fact that what other portable or even console systems do you know of that have:

1. 2 screens
2. one being a touch screen
3. wireless communicative abilities (WiFi compatible too)

I have also played the DS and I think the controls are ingenius. The PSp is gonna suck because not only does it not have analog sticks, but it also has this big ass screen for a portable system, that has to be draining on the batteries, and I don't know about all of you, but I prefer to have the logest amount of play time before having to re-charge. I have to say the DS, all the way.

-doenst the psp have wifi? and palm pilots have the touch screen too. and the psp does have a "analog" stick or nub, whatever they call it.

-and this is directed to anyone...why do fans like nintedo so much? nintedo mascot(and most) games r so kiddy

Does it matter if its kiddy a good game is a good game.LIke mario and Zelda and so on.

The problem is that kiddy games don't sell as well as other more mature games (like Halo, GTA, Metal Gear Solid, etc.)

Did you really just say that? Older gamers may have more cash, but NOTHING is more annoying that a child yelling, "DADDY I WANT THE NEW POKEMON GAME BECAUSE ITS A DIFFERENT COLOR! GIMMEGIMMEGIMMEGIMME!" Have two kids doing that, and we'll see how long you last before buying.

The pokemon franchise is another thing thats boosting Nintendo up.

And, may I remind you, Nintendo got first dibs on Resident Evil 4, the new Zelda game coming out this year is obviously not "kiddie," and the Metroid series is in no way a set of "kiddie" games. Nintendo is not a "kiddie" company. They just cater to everyone.

Originally posted by General Kaliero
Did you really just say that? Older gamers may have more cash, but NOTHING is more annoying that a child yelling, "DADDY I WANT THE NEW POKEMON GAME BECAUSE ITS A DIFFERENT COLOR! GIMMEGIMMEGIMMEGIMME!" Have two kids doing that, and we'll see how long you last before buying.

The pokemon franchise is another thing thats boosting Nintendo up.

And, may I remind you, Nintendo got first dibs on Resident Evil 4, the new Zelda game coming out this year is obviously not "kiddie," and the Metroid series is in no way a set of "kiddie" games. Nintendo is not a "kiddie" company. They just cater to everyone.

LOL...anyways one kid threatened his parents with a knife cuz his dad turned off his game system. by the way, pokemon is old, the new kid fad is yugioh and was fought off temporarily by beyblades half a year ago! and isnt resident evil 4 subtitled Outbreak? cuz that was on sony wasnt it?? i think resident evil sucks, every year they say they're going to fix the camera and inventory stuff but they never do!

Pokemon is not old I can tell u that even though Yugioh cards are everywhere the Pokemon games are selling like crazy and RE4 is NOT subtitled Outbreak.That game sucked so much a$$.Well they made everything that was bad about the RE games better in RE4.With better camras and weapon inventory and the controls are alot better.

To General Kaliero:

Pokemon?! It died YEARS ago. Nintendo's cash flow from that ended. Pokemon is no where the height it used to be. And most of the money went to the company who invented Pokemon anyway (Bandai or something). Kids represent at the most 20% of the video game market. The rest is teenagers and adults. You must be kidding yourself if you believe most of the video game market is for kids. It's for male teenage boys and sociopathic adults.

So what if Nintendo has Resident Evil IV? Capcom plans to put out on PS2 too. Capcom games like Viewtiful Joe and others sold better on PS2 and X-Box than Gamecube. Capcom even plans to end its contract with Nintendo because they're not making any money off Nintendo. Most of the Nintendo games are geared to children. Resident Evil 0 and a remake of the first Resident Evil had disappointing sales according to Capcom spokesman. Nobody wanted to buy a Gamecube for just ONE game. The new Zelda game coming out this year (which by the way looks really cool) is certainly not kiddie. Especially after the debacle of the last one. A skipping nancy pretty boy with a toy sword. Metroid Prime games are very popular and is geared to adults. That I won't contest.

Nintendo IS a kiddie company. You've mentioned the ONLY games that gear to teenagers and adults in a proverbial sea of children-related games. Mario Tennis, Mario Party, SpongeBob, a kid-version of Final Fantasy, Scooby Doo, Kirby, RPG Mario, Pokemon Colosseum, the list goes on. The other systems are smart. They know that most of game market is teenagers and adults. Kids are the minority. There are thousands upon thousands of video game maniac adults and teenagers who spend a better half of their paycheck on games. Parents don't buy as much games for their kids. They have bills, taxes and other stuff to worry about. Nintendo's biggest flaw is that they don't have enough games catered to teenagers and adults. Flip through Gamepro or EGM. You'll find that most of the games mentioned are for adults. This is what makes them lose money. And they having been losing money for years. If they don't pick up the trend for 21st century video-gaming then... 👇

well said draco! what u said was the point i was trying to get thgu 😎

They're are reports that Nintendo is has rising stock prices and has reached a year high. Market analyzers are backing Nintendo platform strategy which increased stock prices. http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?section_name=pub&aid=3349
Also, http://www.gamesindustry.biz/news.php?aid=4659

Its true that Nintendo's stock has dropped but that was over a year ago and now doesn't really mean much considering the DS is doing very well.

Also true that Nintendo's profits has declined compared to what they used to have back 15 year agos. But its still doing very well considering the company is all about videogames. You cant compare Sony and Microsoft with Nintendo because they're more than just a videogame company.
Nintendo has sales profit of 500 million dollar in 2003 and group sales of over 3 billion dollars. Which makes Nintendo one of largest and most profitable company in the industry. http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?section_name=pub&aid=1689

To Samas Adrian:

You give a very well put argument. (with sources I'm impressed). I've read all three arguments. The first two only take into account of the relative success of DS sales and how it has boosted Nintendo's sales by a very narrow margin. The third article just adds fuel to my argument. Nintendo is slowly and steadily losing money. Period. The DS just added a few dollars to the piggy bank. The articles above are completely speculative because the DS has been sold in Europe, Japan and the US. The PSP has just been released in Japan nearly two months ago. The data is inconclusive. Nintendo did NOT make 500 million dollars in 2003 and group sales of over 3 billion dollars. The third article states that they make a "a 67.72 billion Yen (€494 million) annual profit." and "65 billion Yen (€475m) on sales of 550 billion Yen (€4.01 billion) in sales. Yen is worth significantly less than US dollar (and Canadian dollars 🙂 ) Sony in comparison for 2003 made 88 billion Yen (€685 million) in annual profit and "full-year sales standing at a massive 7.5 trillion Yen (€58.4 billion" There's no comparison.

I CAN compare Nintendo to Sony and Microsoft. Nintendo only makes videogames. That has always been their financial weakness. Sony and Microsoft make computers, TV's, software, cameras, etc. They have a vast disposal of resources at their disposal. Nintendo is standing with one leg on a crutch. The third article plainly says that Gamecube is hurting more than its helping. Without the Gameboy SP, Nintendo would have been in the toilet (and its already on the seat) It's just a matter of time. Sony will eventually trump Nintendo. Without the handheld system, Nintendo is dust. We'll have to wait and see who's right and who's wrong. But the stock market, revenues, and common sense points in the direction of Sony.

"But the stock market, revenues, and common sense points in the direction of Sony."

Not when it comes to hand held games. Nintendo always has, and probably always will dominate that market. The day will probably come when they stop making regular consoles and simply do handheld systmes, since that's where the majority of their money comes from. This won't be for a while though, as long as Nintendo still makes Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong, and Metroid games there will be reason enough for nintendo to continue making console systems that will be successful.

With normal console systems, Sony has the advantage; with hand held systems, Nintendo has the advantage.

i think that its most likely that microsoft will buy out nintendo soon...

To Backfire:

Yes, Nintendo has ALWAYS dominated the handheld system market. But who's been their competition lately? Nokia? This is the first time Nintendo has ever had serious competition in the hand-held. Sony is a very reputable company with impressive marketing skills. It's going to be tough for Nintendo to prevail against them. And a handheld system cannot carry a company. Gameboys aren't that popular. It's no Ipod. The problem with Nintendo is that it's ALL they have. Gameboy. That's it. Sony has other markets. Microsoft has other markets. Nintendo has one previously unchallenged market. A market that is being challenged by a very serious competitor.

ya, Nintendo hasnt had any competition since ever...well any good competition until now, so they dont really have much experience in competting in the hand held world, dont u think? this will be proven soon

This isn't the first time Nintendo has had competition. Remember Gamegear? That was a very big competitor.

Also, going through the list of PSP titles isn't all that impressive. The only game that really jumped out at me was the Gran Turismo 4 mobile game (and maybe Medal Gear Acid, but that looks a bit iffy). It's the only really big BIG game coming out for PSP that I've seen so far. Where as DS already has a Mario game, along with a Metroid game on the way and most surely a Zelda game or two in teh future, along with probably another mario game as well. And lets not forget a possible Super Smash bros type game and mario kart.

Also, I wouldn't go so far as to say the gameboy is ALL they have, Gamecube is making them some money, though it's in last place with the console wars, they certainly aren't losing money with the system, and there's still a few huge games coming out for GC, the new zelda game and a new Mario game are still on the way. And as I said earlier, as long as Nintendo has these trademark titles, any system they make will net them SOME money. Heck, I'll buy every nintendo system that comes out just so I can play these games.

Problem with Nintendo is that they always try a bit to hard to seperate themselves from the pack and is usually a bit behind in the "what's hot" trends (such as online gaming missing from GC, and the decision to go with Cartridges instead of CD's with N64). Hopefully with their next system (and yes, it's been confirmed that Nintendo will make at lest one more system after gamecube) they will catch up to their competitors and stop with all the wierd gimmicks and strange design decisions. I really think if they had CD based games for N64 rather then cartridges they would have had a very successful system on their hands.