PSP vs. DS : Which Will Be Better?

To BackFire: (finally an easy username to spell!) 🙂

Gamegear? That bulky, grey thing with that drained the batteries like a sponge? Yeah I remember it. Sega was competition. But certainly not SONY competition. Sega only made games like Nintendo. Fans like Nintendo better. Sega lost. Sega's in the dumpster. Sony is a extremely formidable competitor. They beaten Nintendo in the console wars, in video game sales, and annual profits in one fell swoop. Who's to say that they won't beat Nintendo in the hand-held war?

Gamecube makes SOME money. But not ENOUGH money to keep them going. The new Zelda game and a new Mario game will give them a few strides but its only delaying the inevitable. Trademark titles can only carrry them so far. As I said before, Zelda and Mario isn't going to put a dent in their deficit. Sony has about dozens titles that make them money. Nintendo only has their trademarks to rely on for profit. Why did you think Nintendo signed on Capcom for the Resident Evil series.

I agree with every part of the third section of your thesis. "Strange design decisions and weird gimmicks" (the Gamecube controller is terrible for fighting games!) has been holding them back. I really hope that Nintendo wises up and recognizes the wave of the future. Old school isn't cutting it anymore, no matter what the Nintendo fanatics say.

Am I the only one who hasn't missed the point of this thread? Does the question "Which will do better?" mean which will be a better system or which will make us argue over which is more economically feasible? I buy consoles for their games, not because the Wall Street Journal is stapled to my chest. The games that appeal to me (Zelda, Mario, RE) are available on Nintendo consoles, so those are what I go for.

I've always been a Nintendo person: NES, N64, Gameboy, Gamecube. I have no interest in putting money in anyone's pockets, I buy consoles because I will have fun of them. I really don't see any point arguing over sales and such (maybe because I'm not interested in stocks and stuff, I am after all a "bloody teenager"😉.

Exactly what are we discussing here? Which console will be better (and by better I mean gameplay, graphics, and enjoyment factor) or which company will file for bankruptcy in the next year? I completely lost the focus of this thread while I was reading the other posts. Let's try and stay on-topic here?

Gamegear? That bulky, grey thing with that drained the batteries like a sponge? Yeah I remember it. Sega was competition. But certainly not SONY competition. Sega only made games like Nintendo. Fans like Nintendo better. Sega lost. Sega's in the dumpster. Sony is a extremely formidable competitor. They beaten Nintendo in the console wars, in video game sales, and annual profits in one fell swoop. Who's to say that they won't beat Nintendo in the hand-held war?

Well, the difference between nintendos handheld battle and the console battle is that they really do know how to keep things moving forward when it comes to handheld systems. They don't have wierd little gimmicsk for their handheld systems, they just make better graphics, better designs and better games with each new hand held system. They've pretty much made all of the strides in the hand held market and I think it's one area where they really know what the gamer wants.

Plus, when people think of handheld systems, they automatically think of nintendo, it's held dominence in the field of hand held gaming for over 16 years or so, and since it's their only real means of income I really don't think they will take chances with questionable marketing and designs.

But, no one does know for sure and only time will tell, but from what I can tell, DS does have better titles coming out, and more of them. PSP titles seem like more of the same old crap that is just filling space rather then trying to compell people to buy their system. They have nothing that can stand toe to toe with Mario, zelda or metroid games announced for the PSP yet.

Gamecube makes SOME money. But not ENOUGH money to keep them going. The new Zelda game and a new Mario game will give them a few strides but its only delaying the inevitable. Trademark titles can only carrry them so far. As I said before, Zelda and Mario isn't going to put a dent in their deficit. Sony has about dozens titles that make them money. Nintendo only has their trademarks to rely on for profit. Why did you think Nintendo signed on Capcom for the Resident Evil series.

Yep, this is true. However since all of nintendo trademark games are made by nintendo, it is a gaurantee that nintendo will ALWAYS have good games coming out exclusively for their systems, which is more then can be said for Sony, which doesn't have many real major first party games. I think this fact alone will make a lot of people buy Nintendo consoles, just because you know no matter what happens, they will have their awesome first party games. Basically, if Sony loses Konami, Rockstar, and Squarsoft, their system will quickly fall.

I agree with every part of the third section of your thesis. "Strange design decisions and weird gimmicks" (the Gamecube controller is terrible for fighting games!) has been holding them back. I really hope that Nintendo wises up and recognizes the wave of the future. Old school isn't cutting it anymore, no matter what the Nintendo fanatics say.

Yep, I really really hope that Nintendo starts seeing better days. I suggest everyone else do the same, because it's been stated by Nintendo that when they stop making consoles, they will NOT make any games for other systems (like Sega is). So that means, if Nintendo consoles die, there will not be any Mario, Zelda or any other nintendo trademarks. And I don't know about you guys, but I can't picture a video game industry without mario and zelda, they're the two biggest franchises in the industry. Without them, it would be a sad day in gaming, Nintendo fan-boy or not.

Not really. When I posted this thread, by "Which Will Do Better?" I meant which will be ultimately be more popular and sell better. NOT which game system is better. We can't that yet because we don't have both.

To Backfire:

Yeah. I agree. If something happened to Zelda, I would be PISSED. We need Mario and Zelda and the rest. Without them, videogames wouldn't exist. Nintendo just needs to get their act together.

If Nintendo is making a profit than how could you say Nintendo is in a deficit?
The figure's in the article that I posted states the final figure in Yen which I know is very cheap compared to the US dollar. But beside it is what the British pound equilivent which is higher than the American dollar. So its still a pretty big sum of money that Nintendo has.

"Gamegear? That bulky, grey thing with that drained the batteries like a sponge?"

You mean the PSP. Its big and grey and sucks battery like 12 dollar hooker. History shows that battery life seriously hinders the handheld.

Sooner or later, consoles that just upgrade with more power will eventually die out. People will get bored playing the same damn game over and over. Look back in 70's when videogames hit the big time. Companies were just releasing console after console and eventually the industry completly blew up for years. I also agree with Backfire, companies that make Sony huge and powerful suddenly leave that console will be screwed. Nintendo wont have that problem

To Samas-Adian:

Nintendo is not making anywhere as much money as Sony is. That's a fact. Without Gameboy Advance, Nintendo would not have one leg to stand on. That's a fact. Gamecube lost the console wars and is having very poor sales. That's a fact. Nintendo's sales increased only slightly because of the DS. That's a fact. The PSP is only out in Japan for a couple of months so no comparative data is available until it is out everywhere. That's a fact. Ultimately, Sony is a powerful company with its hands in a hundred markets and Nintendo is a respectable company guarding ONE market (handheld systems) like an cocaine addict guarding his only stash of crack.

The PSP has a relative 6 hour battery life. There's no arguing this. DS has a 10 to 12 battery. Nearly twice its battery life. Nintendo has an advantage at this point. DS can play games, wireless multiplayer and has wireless Pictochat. PSP has games, an itunes equivalent, AIM, Internet Access, wireless multi-player, UMD movie playback, and finally MP3 playback. Sony has an advantage with this point. DS's future releases are Pokemon, Wario, Zoo Keeper, Ping Pals, One Line Puzzle, Band Brothers, Tendo Dakouta, and a future Final Fantasy III. PSP's future releases are Devil May Cry, Metal Gear Acid, Final Fantasy VII-2, Ape Escape, Dynasty Warriors, Need For Speed, Twisted Metal, and a future GTA. This comparison is debatable to different gamers taste. The design is debatable as well. To me the PSP is a hell of lot easier on the eyes than the DS. But that's just my opinion.

Consoles are becoming multifeature. That's a fact. There's no escaping it. Cars have TVs and Mp3 players. Watches have calculators and daily planners. That's the future. The "One object for one thing" age is done and dead. It's just technological evolution.

Backfire mentioned that without Konami, Square-Enix, and Rockstar; Sony's game systems would crash. WELL DUH! 🙄 That's something called BUSINESS! Without the popular TV shows Survivor and CSI, CBS Corporations would sink. Without J.K Rowlings and her popular book series Harry Potter, Scholastic Inc. would sink. Without Heinz Ketchup and Mustard, Nathan's Hot Dogs would sink. Jesus Christ, the stupidity of some people! Companies rely on other companies. It's been this way since our ancestors were trading shark teeth for bananas. And why the bloody hell would Konami, Square-Enix or Rockstar "suddenly leave" Sony?! Sony is their only source of cash! They rely on each other. Where're they gonna go? Mars? It's just wishful, fanatical, Nintendo fanboy thinking that these companies would suddenly up and leave Sony. Good Lord!

"Backfire mentioned that without Konami, Square-Enix, and Rockstar; Sony's game systems would crash. WELL DUH! That's something called BUSINESS! Without the popular TV shows Survivor and CSI, CBS Corporations would sink. Without J.K Rowlings and her popular book series Harry Potter, Scholastic Inc. would sink. Without Heinz Ketchup and Mustard, Nathan's Hot Dogs would sink. Jesus Christ, the stupidity of some people! Companies rely on other companies. It's been this way since our ancestors were trading shark teeth for bananas. And why the bloody hell would Konami, Square-Enix or Rockstar "suddenly leave" Sony?! Sony is their only source of cash! They rely on each other. Where they gonna go? Mars? It's just wishful, fanatical, Nintendo fanboy thinking that these companies would suddenly up and leave Sony. Good Lord!"

It's not entirely unheard of for a big name game developer to change systems while successful with said system. Square did it with Nintendo when they were their only source of cash, Rare also did it with Nintendo. So it's not that far fetched.

Besides, I never said it was probable to happen, merely an example of a particular strength that Nintendo does have - No matter what happens, their blessing is that their best games are first party and they don't have to worry about a company leaving. I didn't say that it would happen, or that I wanted it to happen or anything.

Point taken, BackFire.

besides, I'm pretty sure square enix and konami will still mkae games for both hand helds, no matter what. also don't forget capcom.

I respect your opinion Draco69 L but I can't ignore your jaded opinion of the nintendo console franchise. This isn't like sega. Nintendo made cash(belive it or not) on the n64. it wasn't some endless black hole.(like the 32x). this isn't like the sega Saturn. When sega launched the saturn, they didn't have the cash power to go head to head with sony.

nintendo game in at an opportune time with the 64.

the game cube's biggest flaw was it's lack of strong launch titles and the horrible marketing Nintendo did in the face of microsoft. (and debatably it's purple color). it isn't because it was a bad console. if it was as bad as you describe, then it owuld be in dumpsters by the thousands, and we use gamecube games as coasters. clearly this is not so.

If Nintendo "ever went the way of Sega" like you prescribe, then it would be a sad day in the gaming industry indeed. we would never again have Zelda, Mario, metroid, or the bundle of other nintendo gems.

it also is ignorant to believe that the gameboy is the only franchise keeping nintendo alive. although having millions of gameboys wolrdwide, with cash cows like Pokemon it does give some breathing room.

also, draco, you spoke of "Consoles are becoming multifeature. That's a fact. There's no escaping it. Cars have TVs and Mp3 players. Watches have calculators and daily planners. That's the future. The "One object for one thing" age is done and dead. It's just technological evolution."

hm yes, I believe they already have a name for that. it's called.

N-Gage.

OWNED!!

Draco, I dont care if Sony has more money than Nintendo. I care about what your saying about how Nintendo is going bankrupt, has a deficit and blah blah blah. I showed that it made a profit, so it cant have a deficit. And when I ask for proof, you tell me to read The Wall Street Journal. What about a link to another site? It must be big news?

"Konami, Square-Enix or Rockstar "suddenly leave" Sony?! Sony is their only source of cash!"
Konami - makes games for every platfrom.
Square-Enix - makes games for PS2, GC, GBA and PC
Rockstar - everything aside from GC.

Granted alot of thier main revenue is from the PS2, but if they left PS2 for specific circumstances, you think they all would go bankrupt. I dont think so. They would still sell millions.

And again, the average battery life is 6 hours for the PSP . But thats not including what type of game your playing, if you have the wireless feature on. Battery life with that last around 90 minutes to 3 hours. Its not even mentioned how long the battery lasts when watching a movie or listening to music.

To Robo-Chocobo:

Nokia is relatively new cell phone company that for some bizarre reason went into the video-gaming industry. There's no comparsion between Sony and Nokia. N-GAGE flumped as a result of very poor marketing, a very weak console design (you had to take out the battery to play the game! 🤨), and a very, very weak launch titles.

Consoles were already multifeature before N-GAGE. PS2 and X-Box could play DVDs and had online play. Gamecube didn't have any of these features. Guess who placed third in the console wars?

And don't worry, Nintendo won't die. (It'd be very weird to play Zelda on PS4 or something). They just need to get their act together and start recognizing that old-school video gaming marketing is simply not cutting it anymore. They need to evolve.

To Samas-adian:

I looked up the specifications for PSP.

Hard-Performance Test - Speakers to the max, WIFI OFF, Hard Performace game Ridge Racers

Final Time: 3 hours, 32 minutes

Heavy UMD Gameplay Loading: Speakeres to the max, WIFI OFF, Hard Performance test, Darkstalkers Chronicles game, same thing for movies.

Final Time: 5 hours, 9 minutes

WiFi Multiplayer: Speakers to the max, Hard Performance test, Ridge Racers Game.

Final Time: 2 hours, 46 minutes

MP3 Playback : Speakers to the Max, Hard Performance test, numerous switching back and forth between MP3 files, 4 GB harddrive, 1000s songs

10 hours, 39 minutes

Sleep Mode: This feature is like a hibernation mode for Windows.

Negligible Battery Impact Over 24 hours

As I said before: PSP is for older teenagers and adults who are not hardcore handheld gamers. A handheld system is meant for entertainment on the go. On the subway, during a flight, during a carpool ride with dozens of screaming kids. Not for a pimple-faced social outcast with a permanent hunchback playing GBA for 20 hours straight. The DS would be perfect for him. For anyone else who has a semblance of a life, and has some downtime the PSP is perfect for them. Who's the majority: People with lives or social outcasts? I readily admit that the battery life is a major drawback for PSP. But the it has a lot going for it. Hundreds of other features besides games, a legion of prominent gaming companies behind it, huge marketing. It stands a very good chance against the DS. The ipod defied all odds. Everyone wanted to keep playing their CD Players. Now look at it. EVERYONE has an IPOD. It's the most popular electronic of the new millenium.

I can't predict the future. I can only gather the facts, the data, the specs, and the lessons of the past. It points in the direction of the PSP. I could be wrong. You could be wrong. We don't know. We'll just have to wait a year.

P.S. The battery can be recharged by AV car-battery, and a dead battery can easily be replaced with a $30 fully-charged one. Thought you should know.

Originally posted by Draco69
To Robo-Chocobo:

Nokia is relatively new cell phone company that for some bizarre reason went into the video-gaming industry. There's no comparsion between Sony and Nokia. N-GAGE flumped as a result of very poor marketing, a very weak console design (you had to take out the battery to play the game! 🤨), and a very, very weak launch titles.

Consoles were already multifeature before N-GAGE. PS2 and X-Box could play DVDs and had online play. Gamecube didn't have any of these features. Guess who placed third in the console wars?

And don't worry, Nintendo won't die. (It'd be very weird to play Zelda on PS4 or something). They just need to get their act together and start recognizing that old-school video gaming marketing is simply not cutting it anymore. They need to evolve.

dude, multi functional is being described in 2 different ways here.

your calling the X-box and Ps2 online multi functional? you can't surf the web on it, all you can do is play more games, it's not multifunctional in that respect.

it's only multifunctional in Movie watching.

also, I can compare the PSP to the N-Gage. they both have weak launch titles. and they both have design flaws.(well, the new N-Gage doesn't...)

u can also get batteries at the dollar store...
-and someone said "PSP titles seem like more of the same old crap that is just filling space rather then trying to compell people to buy their system..." mario ds is a from the n64 version, have u seen gt4 on the ps1 or ps2? its nitendo thats using the same old crap over and over and over, each mario game's main objective is to save the princess, im sure no one wants to play mario basketball cuz that happens to be a cube game comin out

Originally posted by Draco69
To Samas-adian:

As I said before: PSP is for older teenagers and adults who are not hardcore handheld gamers. A handheld system is meant for entertainment on the go. On the subway, during a flight, during a carpool ride with dozens of screaming kids. Not for a pimple-faced social outcast with a permanent hunchback playing GBA for 20 hours straight. The DS would be perfect for him. For anyone else who has a semblance of a life, and has some downtime the PSP is perfect for them. Who's the majority: People with lives or social outcasts? I readily admit that the battery life is a major drawback for PSP. But the it has a lot going for it. Hundreds of other features besides games, a legion of prominent gaming companies behind it, huge marketing. It stands a very good chance against the DS. The ipod defied all odds. Everyone wanted to keep playing their CD Players. Now look at it. EVERYONE has an IPOD. It's the most popular electronic of the new millenium.

So let me get htis strait. now the DS and GBA are for social outcast? wtf are you talking about? moron. I can play mario DS as easily on the go as I can a PSP game. THEY'RE FREAKING HAND-HELDS!!! THEY'RE MEANT TO BE PLAYED ON THE GO. WHAT ELSE WOULD I DO WITH IT?

so now, you wouldn't be caught dead with a GBA? to afraid of being called a freak while you wait for your back-ordered import PSP? Now that something different has come along you label all the people with DS and GBA freaks while you jump ship.
It is only by self -restrait that I don't tell you off right now.

(also, everyone wasn't clinging onto their CD players when the Ipod showed up. They were already using MP3's.&!$#)

and how long does the PSP last if you've played more than 1 kind of game for the battery duration? a little dark stalkers, a little ridge racer.so then how long does it last?

Originally posted by Rhino
each mario game's main objective is to save the princess, im sure no one wants to play mario basketball cuz that happens to be a cube game comin out

mario basketball? yah right. 🙄

SO the point of every mario game is to rescue the princess ,and the point of the GTA games have always been about stealing cars, and running people over, and the point of the megaman games have always been to defeat boss 1, so you can use his weapon to defeat boss 2, and so on, and resident evil has always been about zombies(excluding the not out 4), and acecombat's always been about shooting the planes down.

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Originally posted by Draco69
A handheld system is meant for entertainment on the go. On the subway, during a flight, during a carpool ride with dozens of screaming kids. Not for a pimple-faced social outcast with a permanent hunchback playing GBA for 20 hours straight. The DS would be perfect for him. For anyone else who has a semblance of a life, and has some downtime the PSP is perfect for them . Who's the majority: People with lives or social outcasts?

so what your saying is, the GBA, and the DS are NOT portable? woa, that is like a total revolation.

and first you say the PSP is perfect for on the go, and the nintendo handhelds aren't. Then you say they are perfect for down time.

I believe my DS wants to say something to you, but I can't transfer pictochat to the computer.