Originally posted by quanchi112
It stunk. Tarantino lost his touch.
People ALWAYS say that at the end of every film Tarantino makes because they can't believe that every movie he makes is gold. Even Death Proof isn't actually a bad movie, just one of his lesser efforts. Hateful Eight was exciting and tense. In parts it even felt like a horror movie, which is something he hasn't done before.
Originally posted by Dr Will HatchI thought django also sucked. His last two films to me dragged on and stunk. In death proof the dialogue was good but the movie itself has a very low rewatch ability factor for me.
People ALWAYS say that at the end of every film Tarantino makes because they can't believe that every movie he makes is gold. Even Death Proof isn't actually a bad movie, just one of his lesser efforts. Hateful Eight was exciting and tense. In parts it even felt like a horror movie, which is something he hasn't done before.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I thought django also sucked. His last two films to me dragged on and stunk. In death proof the dialogue was good but the movie itself has a very low rewatch ability factor for me.
Oh, so you had a problem with the editing? Yeah, I've heard that criticism before. Honestly though, with a filmmaker as talented as Tarantino and a writer as talented as him who writes such good dialogue, I don't really care if he takes his sweet ass time getting to the cabin or making a point. Like I said earlier in the thread, I'm paying good money to see this movie, so I want my money's worth. I wasn't bored or antsy for a minute watching this.
Originally posted by Dr Will HatchI was and boredom is the opposite of entertainment for me.
Oh, so you had a problem with the editing? Yeah, I've heard that criticism before. Honestly though, with a filmmaker as talented as Tarantino and a writer as talented as him who writes such good dialogue, I don't really care if he takes his sweet ass time getting to the cabin or making a point. Like I said earlier in the thread, I'm paying good money to see this movie, so I want my money's worth. I wasn't bored or antsy for a minute watching this.
Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
Honestly though, with a filmmaker as talented as Tarantino and a writer as talented as him who writes such good dialogue,
That's BS. Tarantino has been known to blatantly rip off other film's dialogue & claim it as his own...word for word.
Old, obscure 1940's movies with Cagney or Boggart...whole transcripts were used in Inglorious Bastards. The Superman monologue in Kill Bill 2 was referenced from an interview of one of DC writers.
There's enough evidence on YouTube where critics show back to back the original movie (usually an old black & white) where the dialogue is taken from & a clip of Tarantino's movies where he's copied word for word.
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
That's BS. Tarantino has been known to blatantly rip off other film's dialogue & claim it as his own...word for word.
Old, obscure 1940's movies with Cagney or Boggart...whole transcripts were used in Inglorious Bastards. The Superman monologue in Kill Bill 2 was referenced from an interview of one of DC writers.There's enough evidence on YouTube where critics show back to back the original movie (usually an old black & white) where the dialogue is taken from & a clip of Tarantino's movies where he's copied word for word.
Dude, I know. I've read all the articles you probably have. I'm acquainted with Mike White, who was the one who exposed Reservoir Dogs as being a ripoff of City On Fire back in the early 1990s(I wouldn't say that we're friends or anything, but I've talked to him a few times). I've watched a lot of the movies that Tarantino borrows from, because I'm a big fan of exploitation cinema and older movies. I know how much he borrows. The thing is though is that when you borrow from SO many disparate sources that after a certain point it goes from being a ripoff to being pastiche. Taking a quote or a shot and applying it in a new context isn't the same thing as being a hack. Think of it like the difference between a comedian who rips off another comedian's jokes. That makes them a hack, but a comedian who riffs on another comedian's joke and puts their own spin on it is merely being clever.
Do you hate James Cameron as much as you hate Tarantino? IMO, he's a much bigger ripoff artist than Tarantino is. The Terminator borrowed so much from Harlan Ellison's episode of The Outer Limits that Ellison ended up suing him, and Cameron was forced to credit Ellison's influence at the end of the movie.
Yes, but your original statement is that he writes "good dialogue".
QT probably chooses to rip off the oldies so he can't be sued.
The point is he never gives credit to where credit's due. I wouldn't have a problem with him if he gave credit & acknowledged to his fans & public alike where he got his inspiration & dialogue passages from.
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Yes, but your original statement is that he writes "good dialogue".
QT probably chooses to rip off the oldies so he can't be sued.
The point is he never gives credit to where credit's due. I wouldn't have a problem with him if he gave credit & acknowledged to his fans & public alike where he got his inspiration & dialogue passages from.
He does write good dialogue though. You're acting like his scripts are wall to wall homages with nothing original at all in them, and that's just not true. A lot of it IS borrowed, yes, but he mixes it all together in clever, seamless ways due to his passion for these older movies. It's not like he's Bob Kane or something and stealing other people's work and saying that it's his. I don't really have a problem with what he does.
Except for City on Fire, I'd say that QT is pretty up front about what movies he borrows from and how much he borrows.
Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
He does write good dialogue though. You're acting like his scripts are wall to wall homages with nothing original at all in them, and that's just not true. A lot of it IS borrowed, yes, but he mixes it all together in clever, seamless ways due to his passion for these older movies. It's not like he's Bob Kane or something and stealing other people's work and saying that it's his. I don't really have a problem with what he does.Except for City on Fire, I'd say that QT is pretty up front about what movies he borrows from and how much he borrows.
I agree, yes he can write good dialogue. But whether the dialogue is relevant for the character or scene is questionable at times.
A driving scene in Pulp Fiction between Jackson & Travolta needs dialogue.
Let's have them talk about MacDonalds in Paris.
Why?
Because it's un-used dialogue from Killing Zoe...a film set in Paris.
Jackson's righteous speech. Not QT's but the Bible's.
Bill makes an epic speech about his favourite character, Superman. Yet we're in his living room full of artefacts & collectibles but no sign of Superman merchandise whatsoever.
Yes, QT is talented but I personally don't believe in the hype.
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
I agree, yes he can write good dialogue. But whether the dialogue is relevant for the character or scene is questionable at times.
A driving scene in Pulp Fiction between Jackson & Travolta needs dialogue.
Let's have them talk about MacDonalds in Paris.
Why?
Because it's un-used dialogue from Killing Zoe...a film set in Paris.Jackson's righteous speech. Not QT's but the Bible's.
Bill makes an epic speech about his favourite character, Superman. Yet we're in his living room full of artefacts & collectibles but no sign of Superman merchandise whatsoever.
Yes, QT is talented but I personally don't believe in the hype.
The "righteous anger" Bible quote is actually taken from the Sonny Chiba movie Karate Kiba, haha. Not helping my case for his originality, but whatever.
I'm a huge comic geek myself, but I don't have a lot of toys or action figures. Bill didn't seem like that type of guy either.
Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
The "righteous anger" Bible quote is actually taken from the Sonny Chiba movie Karate Kiba, haha. Not helping my case for his originality, but whatever.I'm a huge comic geek myself, but I don't have a lot of toys or action figures. Bill didn't seem like that type of guy either.
Honestly I'm not trying to diss your like on QT.
I just think he's love for "indepth" dialogue makes some of his movies more tedious than they should be.
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Honestly I'm not trying to diss your like on QT.
I just think he's love for "indepth" dialogue makes some of his movies more tedious than they should be.
Well, I love good dialogue and appreciate anything that has good dialogue in it, but YMMV. Just as filmmaker alone though, I think he's very good. Unoriginal and maybe a bit overrated, but he's creative in his own way. I'll tell you what, I loved Hateful Eight WAY more than The Force Awakens. I thought that movie was crap, and I love all the other SW movies.