to call Beatles overrated and then talk about Tool as great, get real. Tool have an awesome drummer but thats about it, Tool must be one if not the all time overrated band ever.
Personally I dont think Beatles is the greates band ever, but it is all aboout taste so it is impossible to reach a conclusion on the subject.
But to call Beatles overrated and then suggest Tool is just a big laugh that goes beyond taste.
Honestly, I think this all comes down pretty much to heritage. The Beatles are legendary, you say their name and everyone knows who you're talking about. Tool are much less well known, and they're relatively unknown band outside of the rock community, as they don't get into the charts like the Beatles did. Apparently this automatically makes Beatles great, and Tool just a 'cool' gen x band who don't really mean much because they haven't had 1000 number 1 singles.
Personally, I'd take Tool over the Beatles anyday. I think they are better band (I'd like to her the Beatles make something as beautifully complex as Schism or The Patient). Ridicule all you want, it's what I believe, and I have a right to believe it. Tool are one of the greatest bands I've ever heard, and believe me, I've heard a few. I also think in 10 years time when Tool have disbanded, they will have become the stuff of legends. Old doesn't mean good, remember that.
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Originally posted by DeathblowThe funny thing is if you went up to the members of Tool and told them that the beatles are overrated and they are so much better they'd probably call you crazy themselves. I mean I'll give Tool more credit than finti is.. they make really good music but greatest band ever? That's taking it too far in my opinion. But yeah you do have the right to think that I'm just saying.. And I didn't say the Beatles because they were always in the charts. I said the Beatles because I think they have more good material than any other band, write great songs, and have very diverse and consistent albums.
Honestly, I think this all comes down pretty much to heritage. The Beatles are legendary, you say their name and everyone knows who you're talking about. Tool are much less well known, and they're relatively unknown band outside of the rock community, as they don't get into the charts like the Beatles did. Apparently this automatically makes Beatles great, and Tool just a 'cool' gen x band who don't really mean much because they haven't had 1000 number 1 singles.Personally, I'd take Tool over the Beatles anyday. I think they are better band (I'd like to her the Beatles make something as beautifully complex as Schism or The Patient). Ridicule all you want, it's what I believe, and I have a right to believe it. Tool are one of the greatest bands I've ever heard, and believe me, I've heard a few. I also think in 10 years time when Tool have disbanded, they will have become the stuff of legends. Old doesn't mean good, remember that.
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Originally posted by Afro Cheese
Actually I was talking to the guy who said the Beatles weren't great but Tool are. Tool, as great as they are, are overrated. Especially by people who consider them to be the best band ever. I don't see how anyone could say the Beatles weren't great.. They had more than just a big influence they have great music. They wrote awesome songs and had more consistency than any other band I've ever seen. What beatles albums have you listened to anyway Tptmanno?
I agree... As much as I like Tool, it's really too early to kick them up to "legendary status". Maybe in 15 or 20 years people will think of them in the same way people think of Zeppelin and Pink Floyd now, but it's far too soon to call them that just yet.
Now don't get me wrong, I love Tool, and I do think they are better musicians than any of the Beatles... I think any one of them could be put in the running for the best ever at their particular instrument. But they haven't yet achieved enough influence and recognition to be put up there with the Beatles. They're both great, but Tool aren't great in the same way the Beatles are.
Man, I suggest Tool and i get pounced on.
To whoever asked, I forget, I have listened to Revolver (one of the best Beatles Albums, or so I've heard) and found it lacking. even annoying at times. The Beatles are like Green Day, Some songs are catchy but they are far surpasses in musicianship, originality and the ever important Talent. The one thing that I give them credit for is influence. If this thread was "what is the most influential band?" I would agree with the Beatles whole hearted-ly.
But its like saying that the Wright Brothers are better Airplane builders than the person who made the First Jet, just because they came first. NO They invented it, but someone else perfected it.
Out of all the bands I've heard, Tool is the best, but I just threw that out as an exaple of a band I believe is better than the Beatles. and I can come up with a list of reasons why as well. But for Best ever? I don't know and like Deathblow said, music is too much of a matter of opinion to make a definite judgment.
A Yellow Submarine was a corny pop hit but still a pretty good song. But not even close to the best song on the album. My personal favorites are probably "Eleanor Rigby" and the less popular "For No One." I don't know what you were expecting from the album that left you disappointed but you have some really high standards in music if you're disappointed by the Beatles.
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The Beatles put out amazing and technically amazing records. I mean, even their early stuff features chord progressions that bands today find hard to do. Their later work only grew more complex and well written.
Meanwhile, Jimmy Page managed to sloppily steal blues riffs. Listen to him play - the notes aren't anywhere near being as clean as, say, Stevie Ray Vaughans or other technically proficient guitarists. It's like listening ot Van Halen - he plays fast, but at the expense of quality sometimes. Not to say that ALL of EVH's stuff is sloppy, but sometimes he just forced it.
George Harrison never went and played out of his ability - he was a very good guitarist, and nearly always played clean solos that while not as impressive as a 15 minute solo were perfect for the task. The real emphasis wasn't on how much of his ego he could stroke by playing a long guitar solo, but rather in fitting melody, harmony and rhythm together in a sonically pleasing platform. THAT'S what the beatles were all about.
And in doing so, they changed the scope of music forever. They progressed from a Chuck Berry- Elvis- inspired band to a band that pushed all the bands around them to write something better. I mean, Lennon/McCartney pushed Brian Wilson to write Pet Sounds which in turn pushed The Beatles to write Abbey Road. Led Zeppelin realized that they couldn't write enough music to keep up and so kept rehashing Yardbirds tunes and old folk/blues tracks.
Also, the beatles NEVER wrote a bad album. Zeppelin wrote Coda. Pink Floyd had many bad records. While some bands were at The Beatles level for an album or two, no one could keep up with them for a whole career. And when you look at the time that they wrote all their albums, it grows even more amazing. They were only together writing original music from 1963-1969. Six years, and they wrote at least 4 of the very best albums ever made and another half dozen very good albums. No one has ever done that, and no one will ever do it again.
In songwriting, Lennon/McCartney are only rivaled by Dylan, Wilson, Leonard Cohen and maybe Elliott Smith.
Paul was a very good bass player and could have been great if he had not concentrated on songwriting and learning every instrument.
George Harrison is still considered on of the most influential and technically gifted guitarists of his time.
John Lennon was one of the, if not the, greatest songwriters of all time.
And Ringo was there.
Couple these pieces with the genius of George Martin...you have a band that will never be equalled.
Guns N Roses, when they were as one, are the best band I've ever heard. The beatles wrote good pop/rock. I have a mate who is Beatles bonkers, he has the anthology DVD and watches it every time he's stoned. From watching that, I reckon the Beatles were crap live. GNR live CD is excellent. If I wanted to see any band live it wuld be GNR, Beatles nowhere close.
Also Lennon (mocking disabled people) and McCartney (cheating on dying wife) are both wankers. Ringo is a legend though.
GNR might have been a band full of phuck-ups, but they were honest about it.