I bet if the Beatles's influence wasnt nearly as big as it was/is, many people wouldnt regard them as highly (not aimed at anyone).
That was probably posted before, but Im in a lazy mood right now.
And yes its true that Beatles shows were hardly audible for the band, cause of all the screaming fans. Thats one of the reasons they stopped giving live shows after a couple of years, or so ive heard.
Originally posted by Afro Cheese
The funny thing is if you went up to the members of Tool and told them that the beatles are overrated and they are so much better they'd probably call you crazy themselves. I mean I'll give Tool more credit than finti is.. they make really good music but greatest band ever? That's taking it too far in my opinion. But yeah you do have the right to think that I'm just saying.. And I didn't say the Beatles because they were always in the charts. I said the Beatles because I think they have more good material than any other band, write great songs, and have very diverse and consistent albums.
Yeah but that's just down to their notorious modesty.
I didn't say I thought they were the greatest band ever, I just said I preferred them to the Beatles. In the future I'm sure they will become legends, just like the Beatles & Zeppelin & The Stones are now. Why is that so hard for people to understand? Musical progression didn't suddenly freeze 20 or so years ago, there are actually (one or two) bands right now who will stand the test of time. Tool being one.
Originally posted by BierbommetjeI know that the Beatles get more credit than they deserve.. and they especially did when they were big. A lot of the people that were buying Beatles records and going to Beatles shows were just little teeny boppers who weren't really all that into the music but just got swept into the whole "Beatlemania" thing. But the thing is, if you go back and listen to their music now it is good music and they weren't just some lucky pop band, they did put alot of originality and effort into their albums.
I bet if the Beatles's influence wasnt nearly as big as it was/is, many people wouldnt regard them as highly (not aimed at anyone).That was probably posted before, but Im in a lazy mood right now.
And yes its true that Beatles shows were hardly audible for the band, cause of all the screaming fans. Thats one of the reasons they stopped giving live shows after a couple of years, or so ive heard.
Originally posted by DeathblowTool are a great and original band but The Beatles, Zeppelin, and the Stones were all huge in their own time as well as being legends now. Tool are great to a select group of people, but there are a lot of people I know that have heard Tool and don't like them or at least don't see the big deal about them. Their talent is undeniable.. but the music they make only attracts some people while others are unimpressed. So even in 20 years I can't see them being as legendary as any of the 3 bands you mentioned are. But hey, I could be wrong.
Yeah but that's just down to their notorious modesty.I didn't say I thought they were the greatest band ever, I just said I preferred them to the Beatles. In the future I'm sure they will become legends, just like the Beatles & Zeppelin & The Stones are now. Why is that so hard for people to understand? Musical progression didn't suddenly freeze 20 or so years ago, there are actually (one or two) bands right now who will stand the test of time. Tool being one.
Actually, The Beatles were a very good live band who played literally hundreds of shows in the rough clubs of Hamburg. There is a good description in Shout! The Beatles In Their Generation. Most of these were with Pete Best. The performances were energetic, drug-filled extravaganzas that would be repeated the next night for the rest of the whores and sailors.
Their performances of 'Twist and Shout', the show-closer, are now legendary. They actually had a competition going with the other band (I can't remember which band) to see who could stomp through the stage, and I believe it was finally the other band who did it. They celebrated with cheap champagne.
But I digress.
The thing that Tool can never escape is that they are inherently trapped in a certain type of music in a way the Beatles never were. Look at 'Help!' when compared to 'While My Guitar Gently Weeps' or 'Yesterday' or 'Helter Skelter' or 'Rocky Racoon'. While Tool more or less plays similar sounding music, The Beatles evolved greatly. Sgt Pepper's is totally different than With THe Beatles or any of their previous work.
That is another thing that made the beatles so great. The Stones also progressed greatly, but mostly in response to other acts that were out there, and it was reactionary. While The Beatles reacted to other bands, they didn't do it to copy, but used it as a stepping stone to greater things.
I stand by my statement,
I find the Beatles unoriginal and basicly boring.
Therefore IMO They are NOT the best band. Maybe you think they are, but that doesn't make it true.
O and by unoriginal, I basicly mean easy to duplicate. I listen to them now and If I didn't know they were the beatles, meaning they played a song I never heard before. I would Dismiss them as another pop/punk MTV thingy....
But I stress Opinon. This is what I think, and what I like, and therfore has no bearing on anyone else. To say that Beatles are "the Best band ever Period." Is false because you take an opinion and make it a fact. Its not a fact to me, and will never will be.
Whoever said Tool songs more or less sound the same apparently hasn't listened to very many...
The Beatles are WAY overrated. Personally, I don't care for them at all. Not my style of music, for one thing...and everyone is always like "OMFG they're the best band ever!!!" Guess what. Yeah, they did influence music a lot. But that does NOT make them the best band ever. That just means that they were what was popular at the time and everyone tried to emulate. Personally, I think most Beatles songs sound the same.
I won't even say what I think the best band would be because I know that everyone will jump down my throat, as has already happened to Tpt and Deathblow, simply because we don't agree with the rest of you.
Obviously I'm stating my opinions, but I'm backing htem up with facts. It's a fact that their song structure is beyond what most pop or rock acts do today. It's a fact that they did things decades before most bands caught up. It's a fact that Lennon and McCartney are considered the best pop songwriting duo of all time by nearly every critic. It's a fact that The Beatles influenced everyone from Black Sabbath to current rock bands like Jet and Oasis (for better or worse)
O and by unoriginal, I basicly mean easy to duplicate
You want to know if it is a Beatles cut? listen to the chord progression. Listen to the writing, they are 99% of the time more complex and original than their clones. If you dismiss them as "another pop/punk MTV thingy" then you obviously aren't listening to them. Beyond Helter Skelter, nothing in their repertoire would come close to anything that resembles punk. And even that didn't have the classic three chord attack that most punk is based on.
It's fine to have opinions, but it's better to have an informed opinion.
Personally, I think most Beatles songs sound the same.
That is just dumb and not true. If you can honestly tell me that Yesterday resembles Helter Skelter or Here Comes The Sun or Sgt Pepper's Lonely Heart's Club Band or A Day In the Life, then you must be at least partially deaf. The five songs each are totally different in structure and totally differently written.
Originally posted by ElectricBugaloo
That is just dumb and not true. If you can honestly tell me that Yesterday resembles Helter Skelter or Here Comes The Sun or Sgt Pepper's Lonely Heart's Club Band or A Day In the Life, then you must be at least partially deaf. The five songs each are totally different in structure and totally differently written.
Well you know what, this is based on opinion. And to me, most Beatles songs sound the same, and I do not care for them one bit. Deal with it. I do not have to agree with what you think.
And I can safely say that I am not partially deaf, nor am I musically ignorant, being as I am a violinist, have been for 10 years now, and have perfect pitch.