The Sentry vs Sliver Surfer

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
The fact that the Surfer tapped into the Hulks gamma spawned form, and in turn depowered him in their first meeting shows that the Surfer needs to utilise his power cosmic in order to manipulate beings on Sentry's level.

And for the record... you're wrong. See this was actually the FIRST confrontation between the two and as you can see there's not only no energy manipulation of Hulk's internal energy going on, but Hulk ends up being physically KO'd by Surfer's board...

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The instance that you're thinking of happened later in the comics. And Surfer didn't do it because he HAD to, he did it out of mercy when the Hulk was already KO'd...
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Originally posted by CaptainStoic
There are beings that he can not tap, or siphon power from, one being in particular is Thanos, another being is Sentry.

Also, proof that Sentry's power can't be drained will suffice if you can't find any negative showings for Surfer.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Going off of Sentry's very powerset, we have learned that he uses his vast psychic powers to keep his physical form in a cohesive state. Sentry has shown that he does possess these psy powers as he erased his entire history from the knowledge of all beings on earth iirc.

This in turn means that he Silver Surfer would in fact not be able to tap into the Sentry's power reserve, and that he would need to take this fight to the physical stage.

And going off his powerset... Surfer can do pretty much ANYTHING.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
I would hope that many would agree that a Cosmic Cube outputs more cosmic energy than the Silver Surfer ever could.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
The Sentry when battling Ultron showed how resistant he was to enegetic assaults, he did the same when it came to the Mutant Collective being.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
He took Terraxs assault like he was taking a shower. If anyone would care to glance or re-read his mini, you will recall Terrax saying "impossible", and the lines that contorted his face as he gave his all to destroy Bob... Terrax isn't the type to hold back in a fight. Terrax and Black Adam are cut from the same cloth, they fight to win even if someone has to die for said victory.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
The Silver Surfer would have to get physical, and this is where and when he would lose, and I mean as badly as he lost to Morg in their first battle... broken, busted, and disgusted.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Sentry will kill him.

Originally posted by darthgoober
How does that show that he HAS to manipulate beings on Sentry's level? If anything, it would only indicate that his Power Cosmic CAN be used on being that are on that level.

And for the record... you're wrong. See this was actually the FIRST confrontation between the two and as you can see there's not only no energy manipulation of Hulk's internal energy going on, but Hulk ends up being physically KO'd by Surfer's board...

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The instance that you're thinking of happened later in the comics. And Surfer didn't do it because he HAD to, he did it out of mercy when the Hulk was already KO'd...
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Proof that there's ANYONE Surfer can't drain energy from? His not doing it in every fight doesn't mean that he can't just that he doesn't in that particular instance. By the same token, Sentry not using super speed against an opponent doesn't directly indicate that Sentry's speed won't be effective, it just means he went with another tactic. As I just showed, Surfer KO'd the Hulk without doing it and then did it later on so we know that his ending a confrontation without it in no way indicates that he can't use it successfully.

Also, proof that Sentry's power can't be drained will suffice if you can't find any negative showings for Surfer.

The problem is that Surfer's got some nifty psi powers himself(that are far less ambiguous) as well as feats involving the direct absorption and manipulation of psychic energy, so even if what you're saying was true Surfer could still tap it.

And going off his powerset... Surfer can do pretty much ANYTHING.

Except that all Sentry did was "contain" it by holding it in his hand, and that's something that's also been accomplished by Red Skull. It's unclear what Sentry did exactly which makes it an impressive but unquantifiable feat(and everybody has those to their credit).

Neither of those guys have the feats to stack up to Surfer.

Terrax is a joke and has been taken down by the New Warriors and also by Gamora and has been repeatedly humiliated by Surfer. I'll take a consistent portrayal of abilities over a one time feat any day.

So he can trade shots with someone who has the combined powers of Gladiator and the Uniforce and can shake off all the damage that classic Wonderman(who's punching power is on par with Thor's) and a Bannerless Hulk can dish out, but you think that Sentry's going to have an easy time if it goes h2h... 😂 .

And then wake up and realise that Surfer KO'd him an hour earlier and he'd been dreaming every since.

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Originally posted by CaptainStoic
The fact that the Surfer tapped into the Hulks gamma spawned form, and in turn depowered him in their first meeting shows that the Surfer needs to utilise his power cosmic in order to manipulate beings on Sentry's level.

There are beings that he can not tap, or siphon power from, one being in particular is Thanos, another being is Sentry.

Going off of Sentry's very powerset, we have learned that he uses his vast psychic powers to keep his physical form in a cohesive state. Sentry has shown that he does possess these psy powers as he erased his entire history from the knowledge of all beings on earth iirc.

This in turn means that he Silver Surfer would in fact not be able to tap into the Sentry's power reserve, and that he would need to take this fight to the physical stage.

I would hope that many would agree that a Cosmic Cube outputs more cosmic energy than the Silver Surfer ever could.

The Sentry when battling Ultron showed how resistant he was to enegetic assaults, he did the same when it came to the Mutant Collective being.

He took Terraxs assault like he was taking a shower. If anyone would care to glance or re-read his mini, you will recall Terrax saying "impossible", and the lines that contorted his face as he gave his all to destroy Bob... Terrax isn't the type to hold back in a fight. Terrax and Black Adam are cut from the same cloth, they fight to win even if someone has to die for said victory.

The Silver Surfer would have to get physical, and this is where and when he would lose, and I mean as badly as he lost to Morg in their first battle... broken, busted, and disgusted.

Sentry will kill him.

No Surfer has taken out Hulk without Gamma tricks before.Yeah Surfer>>>>Terrax in about everything so Sentry taking Terrax's assault really doesn't amount to much,not to mention the fact that Terrax is one of the biggest jobbers in comics one minute he is blowing up planets the next he is losing to Iron Man.

Power cosmic isnt effective on Sentry as proven in the terrax fight. Besides Sentrys striking power rivals WWH so wouldnt SS be at a great disadvantage confronting him in close quarters.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Power cosmic isnt effective on Sentry as proven in the terrax fight. Besides Sentrys striking power rivals WWH so wouldnt SS be at a great disadvantage confronting him in close quarters.

Terrax anyone?

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Terrax anyone?

Look, lets not get off topic. The point is that inspite of SS versatility, what other glarring advantages does he have. In terms of of raw physical strength and striking power I dont see SS taking it and lets not forget that SS does tend to "fight"out a lot of his battles.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Power cosmic isnt effective on Sentry as proven in the terrax fight. Besides Sentrys striking power rivals WWH so wouldnt SS be at a great disadvantage confronting him in close quarters.

Originally posted by darthgoober
But if we go by your reasoning, Wonderman and Bannerless Hulk couldn't phase Surfer with pure physical force unless he was drained of the Power Cosmic, so it must mean that he's completely immune to the effect. And before you bring up Thanos and Thor, Thanos charges his fist with cosmic energy and Thor uses a magic hammer so neither of those falls are comparible to Sentry.

SS has been hurt by normal physical force in the past, and in this case its agaisnt a guy who has striking power rivaling WWH.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
SS has been hurt by normal physical force in the past, and in this case its agaisnt a guy who has striking power rivaling WWH.

They'll meet sooner or later and then this discussion will be answered.

Originally posted by darthgoober
When has Surfer ever been hurt by pure physical force without being depowered first?

When thing KO'ed him.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
When thing KO'ed him.

Originally posted by kgkg
So by your logic Sentry would beat Galactus 🙂

Whether out of the mouth of Peter Parker, or Dr.Doom, Marvel claims that Sentry stalemated Galactus.... it does not matter who believes it, Marvel said that he stalwmated him.

Originally posted by joshypooh
😂 No. Come on now. pc doesnt work on sentry. 😆 😆 😆

Now your getting it, but honestly even if Terrax is far inferior to the Silver Surfer, it still remains that his assault was nullified, it didn't even tickle him, the Surfer is the one that need to prove that he can hurt Sentry not the other way around.

Originally posted by Alucard25
No Surfer has taken out Hulk without Gamma tricks before.Yeah Surfer>>>>Terrax in about everything so Sentry taking Terrax's assault really doesn't amount to much,not to mention the fact that Terrax is one of the biggest jobbers in comics one minute he is blowing up planets the next he is losing to Iron Man.

Hey Ironman's a heavy hitter in his own right. Like I said before if Terrax isn't enough, we can always refer to Sentry containing the might of a Cosmic Cube that did not want him to restrain it, and he held onto it all the same... a Cosmic Cube hello!!! One of these babies makes the Silver Surfer's power quite insignificant, and that's being nice.

Originally posted by darthgoober
How does that show that he HAS to manipulate beings on Sentry's level? If anything, it would only indicate that his Power Cosmic CAN be used on being that are on that level.

And for the record... you're wrong. See this was actually the FIRST confrontation between the two and as you can see there's not only no energy manipulation of Hulk's internal energy going on, but Hulk ends up being physically KO'd by Surfer's board...

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The instance that you're thinking of happened later in the comics. And Surfer didn't do it because he HAD to, he did it out of mercy when the Hulk was already KO'd...
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Proof that there's ANYONE Surfer can't drain energy from? His not doing it in every fight doesn't mean that he can't just that he doesn't in that particular instance. By the same token, Sentry not using super speed against an opponent doesn't directly indicate that Sentry's speed won't be effective, it just means he went with another tactic. As I just showed, Surfer KO'd the Hulk without doing it and then did it later on so we know that his ending a confrontation without it in no way indicates that he can't use it successfully.

Also, proof that Sentry's power can't be drained will suffice if you can't find any negative showings for Surfer.

The problem is that Surfer's got some nifty psi powers himself(that are far less ambiguous) as well as feats involving the direct absorption and manipulation of psychic energy, so even if what you're saying was true Surfer could still tap it.

And going off his powerset... Surfer can do pretty much ANYTHING.

Except that all Sentry did was "contain" it by holding it in his hand, and that's something that's also been accomplished by Red Skull. It's unclear what Sentry did exactly which makes it an impressive but unquantifiable feat(and everybody has those to their credit).

Neither of those guys have the feats to stack up to Surfer.

Terrax is a joke and has been taken down by the New Warriors and also by Gamora and has been repeatedly humiliated by Surfer. I'll take a consistent portrayal of abilities over a one time feat any day.

So he can trade shots with someone who has the combined powers of Gladiator and the Uniforce and can shake off all the damage that classic Wonderman(who's punching power is on par with Thor's) and a Bannerless Hulk can dish out, but you think that Sentry's going to have an easy time if it goes h2h... 😂 .

And then wake up and realise that Surfer KO'd him an hour earlier and he'd been dreaming every since.

Ok you got me on the history part, but the fact still remains that the Sentry has proven to be nearly immune to enrgetic attacks... Bob has already done his part in convincing me that he can stalemate the Surfer when it comes down to manipulating energy.... he did bring his dead wife back to the land of the living, and she was very dead, has the Silver Surfer done this? If so that's 1 for 1.

You know something? I noticed that along the plot lines of the Silver Surfer once again becomming Galactus' Herald that they are on a collision course with Earth, and we all know what that means.... I prepared to eat crow with a smile, are you?

Are you claiming that the Silver Surfer can drain Thanos? Why hasn't he... what's the score between those two anyways? I thought Thanos was up 3 - 0.

I've read alot of Silver Surfer comics and I have never seen him read a persons thought, take control of a crowd of people with his thoughts, or erase his existance from the minds of billions, have you? I've seen him resist psychic assault, but the again so has the Hulk. 😬

The Red Skull now you're reaching, I mean really.... seeing as how you brought that up, I really don't even feel the need to continue this discussion. Why would you bother to bring up someone that couldn't hold a candle to Captain America, and turn around and compare him to someone that would defeat him in a picosecond or less?

Because of the Sentry's obvious resistance to the power cosmic (on panel evidence), and the fact that his bio states that his vast psi abilities are used to control his power, and help to keep him from falling apart or turning into the Void, there is a slight chance that he may feel a cosmic blast from the Surfer, but it looks more like he can easilly resist it.

Like I said before Bob has already shown how well he takes energetic assaults it the Surfer that has to step up and prove that he can do something that no other being has been able to do.

I see you think a whole lot of Silver Surfer, Gladiator mixed with the Uni power, with hulk strength, and Wonder Mans punching power???

Please, The Sentry defeated the Void. The Void resisted Dr. Strange, Black Bolt, Colossus, Namor, The Thing, Cyclops, Ironman, Sue Richards, the Human Torch, Luke Cage, the Inhumans, Reed Richard's and at least half a dozen others, without realising that they were even hitting him. Dr. Strange alone could spell trouble for Norrin Radd, throw in the rest and the Surfer would be doomed.

Sentry beat this all by himself..... and yes he stalemated that parasite of a master that the Silver Surfer calls master. Believe it or not,, Marvel says it happened, so it did... what's so hard to believe it's a comic book.

Sentry is going to face the Silver Surfer and this is what will happen, Surfer is going to pull his energy blast crap to nil effect, Sentry is going to get all up in his face.... you know the way Thanos did, and drop bombs on the bum until it's nighty night.

I can see it now as Sentry rips his ass off that board and brings him planetside for the big beatdown.

So feel free to PM me... If I'm wrong I'll PM you with the I was wrong speech, but I'm not wrong, Surfers going to lose.

Cosmic Cube>>>>>>>>>>> Silver Surfer.

Silver Surfer >>>>>>>>> Sentry

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Whether out of the mouth of Peter Parker, or Dr.Doom, Marvel claims that Sentry stalemated Galactus.... it does not matter who believes it, Marvel said that he stalwmated him.

ohhh and if you want to go by hyperbole a write wrote that only a few in the MULTIVERSE can dare attack the Silver Surfer.

That was said in narration 🙂

unless Sentry can show Galactus level of power ( lol blackblot incident) let's hold that train.

Originally posted by kgkg
Ohh so Peter Parker word are marvel's statement. 🙄

ohhh and if you want to go by hyperbole a write wrote that only a few in the MULTIVERSE can dare attack the Silver Surfer.

That was said in narration 🙂

unless Sentry can show Galactus level of power ( lol blackblot incident) let's hold that train.

You my friend may be hyping the Surfer up a little too much, he isn't undefeatable, and you don't need to be Galactus level to take him out, Stardust can take him down, and Beta Ray Bill, stalemated with him... so guess what? Are you getting nervous yet?

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
You my friend may be hyping the Surfer up a little too much, he isn't undefeatable, and you don't need to be Galactus level to take him out, Stardust can take him down, and Beta Ray Bill, stalemated with him... so guess what? Are you getting nervous yet?

Also Bill was never really able to do anything to Stardust as soon as he came out in energy form... hell, Stardust even temporarily KO'ed him in the battle.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
You my friend may be hyping the Surfer up a little too much, he isn't undefeatable, and you don't need to be Galactus level to take him out, Stardust can take him down, and Beta Ray Bill, stalemated with him... so guess what? Are you getting nervous yet?

Your claimed that it is stated that Sentry = Galactus i just gave you an example given by marvel stating in comic that says SS = Multiversal that very few in the Multiverse can dare attack him( Written my marvel witters ( ohhh noes it must be true)

again we both know both are false 🙂

Moral of the story don't beileve one peice of information