The Sentry vs Sliver Surfer

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
The power one one star is more power the the Silver Surfer has within him, and within the sun are more wavlengths of cosmic energy than you can shake a stick at.... what I am saying is that since the Sentry generates power like a star does, the Silver Surfer's cosmic assault should be as impotent as Terrax's was.

That doesn't even remotely make sense.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
If you're first one is about Sentry being immune to the Power Cosmic, then there's no proof of this besides him taking Terrax's [b]hand blast to no effect.

No, because the energy isn't the same (and even then, it doesn't make sense). Besides, all of Sentry's unleashed energy burnt out in a couple minutes...

Heh?
I would like to see proof of Sentry being akin to a scene like that in relation to Surfer. [/B]

No not at all, terrax is just the tip of the iceberg buddy. I'm going with a much larger feat, the Sentry restraining a Cosmic Cube for more than five seconds.

Any Cosmic Cube has the power to rip a galaxy apart, or destroy a large portion of an entire universe. It has not been quantified as to the amount of power he actuallyt held back, but I am pretty certain that if the Surfer attempted such a feat, that he would have been torn apart.

The Sentry is highly resistant to all forms of energy, which he has shown time and again, a battle between the two would have to become physical.

which makes my Bouncer seen more vivid.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
The power one one star is more power the the Silver Surfer has within him, and within the sun are more wavlengths of cosmic energy than you can shake a stick at.... what I am saying is that since the Sentry generates power like a star does, the Silver Surfer's cosmic assault should be as impotent as Terrax's was.

The seen of the Bouncer booting the little out of control guy to the curb, is just me saying that the Surfer's power cosmic should be ineffectual against the Sentry, basically like throwing a bucket of water at Hydro Man... do you get it now?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That doesn't even remotely make sense.

What is it that you are having a hard time understanding?

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
What is it that you are having a hard time understanding?

How any of it fits together. What you're basing the premises on. Everything. No aspect of it makes any sense whatsoever.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
No not at all, terrax is just the tip of the iceberg buddy. I'm going with a much larger feat, the Sentry restraining a Cosmic Cube for more than five seconds.

Any Cosmic Cube has the power to rip a galaxy apart, or destroy a large portion of an entire universe. It has not been quantified as to the amount of power he actuallyt held back, but I am pretty certain that if the Surfer attempted such a feat, that he would have been torn apart.

The Sentry is highly resistant to all forms of energy, which he has shown time and again, a battle between the two would have to become physical.

which makes my Bouncer seen more vivid.

Didn't Mar-Vell actually destroy a Cube and survive point blank?

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Anyway, Two times Sentry was KO'ed was by energy I believe. I'm not sure if the C.A.P. robot did it by energy as well... or the skyscraper...

Originally posted by Mindset
I get that it doesn't make sense...

You don't get, that attacking the Sentry with an energy assault would not work for the Silver Surfer? The Surfer doesn't have enough power to hurt him (The Sentry) with his "PORTION" <------- AMOUNT....... of power at his command.

The Sentry's "supposed" <---(IF THIS WAS TRUE) stalemate of Galactus was due to the Sentry's ability to most likely stave off a weakened Galactus.

Even a weakened Galactus can take the Sufer. If you don't get it now, I just don't know what to say.

Predicting the outcome of a battle between the two is an easy one if the Sentry is truly, as resilient to energetic attacks as he has shown that he has been on panel.

Genis Vells power to shunt energy away was ineffectual against the Sentry..... Terrax's best was like a walk in the park to the Sentry...... The Collective was unleashing God knows what on the Sentry, and when he saw that it was illogical to fight the Sentry in this way he had to go for the battle field removal...... the Sentry was shown easilly resisting Ultrons power...... Dr. Doom had ensared the entire team of Avengers in mystical tethers and the Sentry walked right through it like he was taking a stroll up the street..... Any Cosmic Cube has more power than the Surfer has ever displayed and the Sentry restrained it, and contained it, and although it was for a brief time, anyone on the Surfers level would have been torn apart.

A battle between these two would become physical, and the Sentry IMO will turn the Surfer out in a physical confrontation.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
Wasn't Red Skull the one to harness the power of the Cube first?

Didn't Mar-Vell actually destroy a Cube and survive point blank?

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Anyway, Two times Sentry was KO'ed was by energy I believe. I'm not sure if the C.A.P. robot did it by energy as well... or the skyscraper...

This is what you aren't getting, the Red Skull wasn't trying to force the Cube to do something that it did not want him to do. Reed Richards wanted to analyze the Cube and it vehemently fought against this idea, for it's own reasons, the Sentry was there to restrain the Cube from escaping.... The Red Skull did no such thing. See the difference?

silver surfer

Sentry

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
This is what you aren't getting, the Red Skull wasn't trying to force the Cube to do something that it did not want him to do. Reed Richards wanted to analyze the Cube and it vehemently fought against this idea, for it's own reasons, the Sentry was there to restrain the Cube from escaping.... The Red Skull did no such thing. See the difference?

Also...
Super-Adaptoid 2>Cube
C.A.P.>Cube
Empire State Building>Cube
Etc.

How powerful is a Cube on it's own anyway, because I thought it was controlled via willpower...

Originally posted by Red Hulk
I'm starting to get the picture...
Mar-Vell is above Surfer because one was smashed in his face.
Drax is above Surfer because he actually fought against the power being used as a universal weapon.

Also...
Super-Adaptoid 2>Cube
C.A.P.>Cube
Empire State Building>Cube
Etc.

How powerful is a Cube on it's own anyway, because I thought it was controlled via willpower...

I see where you're going with this, and it seems that you "may" believe that I am using ABC logic.

This is not the case, what I am saying is that the Sentry's unique powerset is geared towards being invulnerable or nearly so, to the Silver Surfers power cosmic.

I am of course leaving a space for doubt that the Surfer's output can breach the Sentry's defenses, but from my analogy of him being able to rise to the occasion against guys who have outputted power enough to rip planets apart (Genis Vell), and not only survive but seemingly push them back, weighs in the Sentry's favor against a being like the Silver Surfer.

C.A.P would destroy the Silver Surfer as well from it's brief showing.

I never said that the Cosmic Cube was usisng all of it's power to escape restraint, what I said was that the Sentry took a measure of it's power.

The Beyonder was said to be a Cosmic Cube, but this could have been retconned, Mr. Master would know better than me on this particular subject.

Let's not make it seem as if the Silver Surfer, or any other character has not had their low showings, the Surfer was himself briefly overcome by Carnage 😬 .

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
I see where you're going with this, and it seems that you "may" believe that I am using ABC logic.

This is not the case, what I am saying is that the Sentry's unique powerset is geared towards being invulnerable or nearly so, to the Silver Surfers power cosmic.

I am of course leaving a space for doubt that the Surfer's output can breach the Sentry's defenses, but from my analogy of him being able to rise to the occasion against guys who have outputted power enough to rip planets apart (Genis Vell), and not only survive but seemingly push them back, weighs in the Sentry's favor against a being like the Silver Surfer.

C.A.P would destroy the Silver Surfer as well from it's brief showing.

I never said that the Cosmic Cube was usisng all of it's power to escape restraint, what I said was that the Sentry took a measure of it's power.

The Beyonder was said to be a Cosmic Cube, but this could have been retconned, Mr. Master would know better than me on this paticular subject.

Let's not make it seem as if the Silver Surfer, or any other character has not had their low showings, the Surfer was himself briefly overcome by Carnage 😬 .

Anyway, Genis was holding back his power. And ripping planets apart doesn't equate to Surfer getting tired of his opponent and creating a black hole while destroying a planet.

You're using the Cosmic Cube feat pretty much to negate anything. It wasn't meant to contrast Surfer with the robot, it was about proving your standpoint wrong.

So... we have absolutely no idea of what he actually took? How is this a negating feat then?

Ya, I know. So was Super-Adaptoid, so was the Shaper Of Worlds... needless to say it varies depending on the user. We don't know how powerful it is on it's own, we just know that it depends on willpower.

Am I bringing up low showings, or am I bringing up showings to discount your theory?
But since you sent the invitation... Namor made Sentry bleed. Iron Man held his own with Sentry. Axe's were cutting through Sentry's concentrated full power. Sentry at full power ran out of juice in minutes. Sentry got KO'ed by the Empire State Building. Sentry got dropped twice by Super-Adaptoid 2. Sentry was sent away by what seemed like force from the Collective. Sentry was hurt by a calm Hulk hug. Pissed off Sentry was seemingly dropped by Ms. Marvel empowered by a nuke. Sentry was beaten by a simple Doom spell. Etc.
All in his 8 year history of him supposedly being the most powerful being on the planet/galaxy.

As you can see, I wasn't going for 'low' showings, I was simply showing what energy attacks have taken him down.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
"The Sentry is highly resistant to all forms of energy, which he has shown time and again"

Anyway, Genis was holding back his power. And ripping planets apart doesn't equate to Surfer getting tired of his opponent and creating a black hole while destroying a planet.

You're using the Cosmic Cube feat pretty much to negate anything. It wasn't meant to contrast Surfer with the robot, it was about proving your standpoint wrong.

So... we have absolutely no idea of what he actually took? How is this a negating feat then?

Ya, I know. So was Super-Adaptoid, so was the Shaper Of Worlds... needless to say it varies depending on the user. We don't know how powerful it is on it's own, we just know that it depends on willpower.

Am I bringing up low showings, or am I bringing up showings to discount your theory?
But since you sent the invitation... Namor made Sentry bleed. Iron Man held his own with Sentry. Axe's were cutting through Sentry's concentrated full power. Sentry at full power ran out of juice in minutes. Sentry got KO'ed by the Empire State Building. Sentry got dropped twice by Super-Adaptoid 2. Sentry was sent away by what seemed like force from the Collective. Sentry was hurt by a calm Hulk hug. Pissed off Sentry was seemingly dropped by Ms. Marvel empowered by a nuke. Sentry was beaten by a simple Doom spell. Etc.
All in his 8 year history of him supposedly being the most powerful being on the planet/galaxy.

As you can see, I wasn't going for 'low' showings, I was simply showing what energy attacks have taken him down.

Willpower? Are you saying that a Cosmic Cube isn't sentient? If so how could it resist restraint? If that were the case and it soley depended upon willpower like a GL ring Reed wouln't have needed the Sentry to restrain it now would he have, he would have been able to just lay it down on his lab table and perform the simple analysis.

No this is not the case at all. I believe what you are talking about is once a person harnesses the power of a Cosmic Cube "being", that it depends on the users willpower as to how potent the Cube will allow for said user to become.

Unlike the Quantum bands a Cosmic Cube is sentient, meaning it has a will of it's own.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Willpower? Are you saying that a Cosmic Cube isn't sentient? If so how could it resist restraint? If that were the case and it soley depended upon willpower like a GL ring Reed wouln't had need the Sentry to restrain it now would he have, he would have been able to just lay it down on his lab table and perform the simple analysis.

No this is not the case at all. I believe what you are talking about is once a person harnesses the power of a Cosmic Cube "being", that it depends on the users willpower as to how potent the Cube will allow for said user to become.

Unlike the Quantum bands a Cosmic Cube is sentient, meaning it has a will of it's own.

Oh and in the past Ironman held his own against the Silver Surfer in an inferior suit, Ms. Marvel hit Sentry while he was unaware, King Hulk had the power to shift tectonic plates physically, and was less powerful at the time that he shifted it than he was when he faced off against the Sentry, The same calm Hulk that was seen getting every bone in his body broken by an aspect of the Sentry? Never saw the Super Adatoid incident but i am almost betting that it was a physical attack and not an enrgetic one, the Collectives only way out of the battle was by bfr, he could have done the same to anyone else, the fact is that all other angles of attack did not work for him when he faced the Sentry.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
No, I'm saying that we have absolutely no gauge for a Cosmic Cube on it's own, as most of it's high feats are by beings of great willpower. Do we say that it was higher than Eternity level? Do we say it was Super-Adaptoid level? Do we say it was Shaper Of World level? Where exactly do we put it in the power scale in the Sentry instance?

I understood your point, but at the same time it can not be argued that when the Sentry faced off against Genis, that they were both displaying enough power to destroy planets, and to top it off, they were both holding back.

What we have here is a waiting game... i'm putting my bets on Sentry.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Willpower? Are you saying that a Cosmic Cube isn't sentient? If so how could it resist restraint? If that were the case and it soley depended upon willpower like a GL ring Reed wouln't have needed the Sentry to restrain it now would he have, he would have been able to just lay it down on his lab table and perform the simple analysis.

No this is not the case at all. I believe what you are talking about is once a person harnesses the power of a Cosmic Cube "being", that it depends on the users willpower as to how potent the Cube will allow for said user to become.

Unlike the Quantum bands a Cosmic Cube is sentient, meaning it has a will of it's own.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
I understood your point, but at the same time it can not be argued that when the Sentry faced off against Genis, that they were both displaying enough power to destroy planets, and to top it off, they were both holding back.

What we have here is a waiting game... i'm putting my bets on Sentry.

This whole cosmic cube thing is being taken way out of proportion and context. It is a gud feat but nothing near how its being described. It certainly does NOt prove that surfers power cosmic wud be ineffectual against sentry. Thats just nonsense.

Also destroying planets is really nothing for a person who has the energy ouptut to create multiple black holes.

best fight on the forum, 5/5 split.