Originally posted by DarkSaint85No, but his thoughts do. Which is what Abhi was so excited about with that Perpetua scene - MMH pushing his thoughts to go faster than Perpetua's while his body stood still and got punched in the face.
Wouldn't that just mean MMH is just human level....i.e.....Chuck's level? As Chuck has no superspeed to speak of.
Xavier's thoughts casually defy space and time: https://imgur.io/wRgRg4s?r
Originally posted by Smurph
Sure it does. Physical superspeed boosting mental speed is literally the basis of this scene. https://imgur.com/a/3JZFeIf they didn't have superspeed, their thoughts would have been slower and the guards would have been able to monitor them.
There's no indication that J'onn thinks at normal human speed without boosting it.
Originally posted by Smurph
No, but his thoughts do. Which is what Abhi was so excited about with that Perpetua scene - MMH pushing his thoughts to go faster than Perpetua's while his body stood still and got punched in the face.Xavier's thoughts casually defy space and time: https://imgur.io/wRgRg4s?r
Originally posted by abhilegendYour second sentence contradicts your first one.
Just because he can boost his mental speed using his physical speed (Flash has done it multiple times) doesn't makes his mental speed slow.There's no indication that J'onn thinks at normal human speed without boosting it.
I agree, there's no indication that Jonn uses physical superspeed to boost mental superspeed. Rather, Jonn just has superspeed... except in this thread.
I tried explaining in the other thread that telepathy typically boosts speed of thought and you went "no! Just J'onn is super fast!"
So, here we are. My my how the turn tables. J'onn gets thoughtblitzed, I suppose.
Originally posted by Smurph
Your second sentence contradicts your first one.I agree, there's no indication that Jonn uses physical superspeed to boost mental superspeed. Rather, Jonn just has superspeed... except in this thread.
I tried explaining in the other thread that telepathy typically boosts speed of thought and you went "no! Just J'onn is super fast!"
So, here we are. My my how the turn tables. J'onn gets thoughtblitzed, I suppose.
Originally posted by abhilegendJohn Stewart (not Jonn Jonzz) can track Flash across time and space but Abhi can't track his own argument across two pages. 🙁
If that's the case, J'onn shouldn't be able to track a supercharged Flash who was moving in picoseconds across time and space (unlike Xavier, his mind is actually beyond space and time) while his body was in a coma.
You and I both agree that Martian Manhunter normally has superspeed (not that the Flash feat is a speed feat...? but, anyways, moving on...).
In this thread, he has no superspeed. And again, I personally think the speed of thought argument is boneheaded, but you wanted to pick the fight, so.... the edge that you claimed he had over Xavier doesn't apply here.
Meanwhile, Xavier has a bunch of feats of his TP somehow moving ftl. And again, high level TP in Marvel tends to dial up thinking speed. So in this thread, where Chuck gets all of his feats but MMH gets artificially slowed down, I guess per your speed-of-thought argument, it's Chuck's fight to lose.
Originally posted by Smurph
John Stewart (not Jonn Jonzz) can track Flash across time and space but Abhi can't track his own argument across two pages. 🙁
It was literally J'onn controlling John's mind and the ring lol.
You and I both agree that Martian Manhunter normally has superspeed (not that the Flash feat is a speed feat...? but, anyways, moving on...).
In this thread, he has no superspeed. And again, I personally think the speed of thought argument is boneheaded, but you wanted to pick the fight, so.... the edge that you claimed he had over Xavier doesn't apply here.
Except J'onn is still fast enough in coma to track a supercharged Flash.
Meanwhile, Xavier has a bunch of feats of his TP somehow moving ftl. And again, high level TP in Marvel tends to dial up thinking speed. So in this thread, where Chuck gets all of his feats but MMH gets artificially slowed down, I guess per your speed-of-thought argument, it's Chuck's fight to lose.
The fact that you need to do this mental gymnastics for Xavier to get a win shows how he doesn't compare to J'onn in raw power in TP.
Originally posted by abhilegendYes. Do you read the words that you type? It's a power ring feat that relied on a tight beam cast by John to go after Flash when Flash vanished.
It was literally J'onn controlling John's mind and the ring lol.
And even for the purpose of tracking Flash, J'onn and John had the ring. So what is this supposed to prove about telepathy? How is this relevant to the thread? I'm at a loss.
Originally posted by abhilegendFirst, Flash was travelling through time and Jonn was maintaining conversation with Batman and Atom while using the ring to find Flash. There is zero indication that this required super speed (whether in terms of thinking speed or whatever else you're implying...?)
Except J'onn is still fast enough in coma to track a supercharged Flash.
Second, the ring is inherent to the feat. John Stewart cast a beam after Flash when Flash vanished. This is a bizarre feat and hardly even a TP feat. I guess it proves that MMH with a power ring could potentially have TP that traverses time, but only in these awfully specific circumstances, and with the assistance of John Stewart.
Finally, this is all irrelevant because even if you were right about the feat (which, lol, you are not), you would just be showing that MMH's super speed also applies to his mental speed. Look, his brain still moves super fast even when his body can't!
And... since he doesn't have super speed in this thread... the feat would be useless. I'm not sure how I can break this down more easily for you.
Originally posted by abhilegendHey, I wasn't the one who argued that we should equate thinking speed with power. You're just losing the fight that you picked.
The fact that you need to do this mental gymnastics for Xavier to get a win shows how he doesn't compare to J'onn in raw power in TP.
Anyways, glad we agree that Xavier gets the win. 🙂
Originally posted by Smurph
Yes. Do you read the words that you type? It's a power ring feat that relied on a tight beam cast by John to go after Flash when Flash vanished.
Yes, but it was J'onn who scanned entire realities using his telepathy. Hell Wally even hears J'onn telepathy in his head.
And even for the purpose of tracking Flash, J'onn and John had the ring. So what is this supposed to prove about telepathy? How is this relevant to the thread? I'm at a loss.
The ring doesn't grant a comatose J'onn boost in mental speed lol.
First, Flash was travelling through time and Jonn was maintaining conversation with Batman and Atom while using the ring to find Flash. There is zero indication that this required super speed (whether in terms of thinking speed or whatever else you're implying...?)
He actually tracks and talks with Flash who was moving at picosecond level speed and you think no speed was involved?
Second, the ring is inherent to the feat. John Stewart cast a beam after Flash when Flash vanished. This is a bizarre feat and hardly even a TP feat. I guess it proves that MMH with a power ring could potentially have TP that traverses time, but only in these awfully specific circumstances, and with the assistance of John Stewart.
The ring only had a lifeline to Wally, it provided a connection. Tracking him and talking to him at superspeed is all J'onn.
Finally, this is all irrelevant because even if you were right about the feat (which, lol, you are not), you would just be showing that MMH's super speed also applies to his mental speed. Look, his brain still moves super fast even when his body can't!
Lolwut? How's his mental speed connected to his physical speed?
And... since he doesn't have super speed in this thread... the feat would be useless. I'm not sure how I can break this down more easily for you.
You've tied yourself into knots here.
Hey, I wasn't the one who argued that we should equate thinking speed with power. You're just losing the fight that you picked.Anyways, glad we agree that Xavier gets the win. 🙂
Lol, lmao even. J'onn mindrapes Xavier, since you can barely post a feat here. Glad we agree.