Originally posted by Stunrun
im happy with the DVD versions, its Lucas's final vision, fully remastered and cleaned up😉 what is there NOT to like?? but then thats my opinion😎
Well for one the obvious mistakes they made when they were cleaning it up- the lightsabres are all over the place, I find it really frustrating. There's also a few sound problems. But yes, the DVD versions are the best looking, despite their flaws.
Originally posted by LandoSpeeder
Vympel what do you mean by the lightsabers being all over the place?
In ANH, Luke has a green sabre for several long, painful seconds while he's training on the Falcon. Other than that, the improved sabre effects in the Obi-Wan vs Vader fight were quite good. It's TESB and ROTJ where the effects are atrocious: Vader's sabre randomly and for no apparent reason has a reddish/pinkish rather than a white "core" around the red hue- this effect is of course incorrect, and not only that, is inconsistently applied- sometimes his sabre looks normal, sometimes it looks like above. I thought it was really obvious, you didn't see it?
See here:
Special Edition: nice clean white core:
DVD: reddish/pinkish- no other red sabre has ever looked like this, ever.
That's just one example, it happens again and again. The worst is where Vader is telling Luke "your destiny lies with me" before Luke is forced into the carbonite chamber. The sabre looks awful. I hear it's a problem with what they did to certain shots, and you can fix it somehow by messing with your settings, but I've never gotten it working.
The green sabre is what mystifies me the most, maybe. Like, seriously, who wouldn't be able to spot that? Just wierd. I suppose we'll have to wait for the 2007 release of the Hi-Def versions for the "definitive" Star Wars to end all Star Wars.
My list is as follows:
6.TPM
5.ANH
4.AOTC
3.ESB
2.ROTJ
1.(pending)ROTS
I still don't understand what everyones problem is with ROTJ. I LOVE that movie. Yoda's death scene, the first scene with Vader and Palpatine in a SW flick, Luke as a bada$$, the entire throne room scene , father against son, Vader's redemption, c'mon! Shall i go on?! Yes, i hate ewoks too, but that is definitely not enough to make it the worst SW movie ever. NO WAY. Maybe i'm a sucker for the stories i love coming full circle but if i could watch any of the three right now, ESB would be the only one that would stand a chance against ROTJ. ESB probably is better but i cant put it ahead of ROTJ.
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It's not a dumb question, oh Mr. Psychic who can predict what a movie will be like months before it released.
There's always someone to yell out "OMG Ep III will be da best movie of all time it rox0rz!!!!eleven!11!1!!!!!!".
It could be worse than Episode I - I don't exactly know how, but it could.
And about Return Of The Jedi - I still have no idea why people dislike the Ewoks. I didn't pass one remark with any of them. They were OK. I didn't love them, I didn't hate them, I just thought they were fine as Star Wars characters. After all, there's a child sized bat and those little Jawa creatures in A New Hope, but nobody passes any remarks on those "funny" creatures. Stupid logic.
Poor Ewoks.
Aight, I've never posted here, but frag it, here goes.
First of all, I got nothing but laughs for any fool that thinks someone's opinion is ridiculous because it doesn't agree with someone else's. That's freakin stupid. Period. Everyone has their right to their own opinion and to use the status quo as a justification as your opinion is even weaker. If I'm steppin on toes, so be it. Drop your hating, it doesn't matter to me. I like what I like and that's it.
Beyond all that, I have to say that the OT was off tha hook. It set new standards in moviemaking. Bar none. ANH was my first, I think I saw it when I was 6. ESB was tight, I saw it later, but didn't appreciate it until I was in my late teens and able to understand the scope of what was going on. ROTJ was tight as hell too. No complaints. People talk sh-t about the Ewoks, but it wasn't a big deal when you were a kid. It was all the same, it was cool. Now if you saw it around the mid-late nineties maybe, but not for me in the eighties. It wasn't embarassing and it wasn't pathetic. It was just Star Wars, man.
TPM was off tha hook. I hadn't seen SW in film in years, but I was surprised that GL could still kick it up a notch. People complain about it, but hell, look at all the behind the scenes if you need to understand his direction. Personally, before I ever saw it, I new it was gonna be different. Its a prequel after all. It was before. I expected things to be a little out of order. To think everything was predictable would be foolish. It took place over 40 years before ANH, so c'mon. What do you expect? Everything was gonna be the same?
Anyways, AOTC was aight, but I'll be the first to say that the lightsaber duel was what made TPM so hot for me, and AOTC cheaped out. They cut, edited, whatever, but it didn't hit as hard as TPM. Sure, Yoda got his cameo fight scene and it was tight, but I was disappointed in Anakin's fight, and even Obi-Wan looked like a beyatch fighting Dooku. Everyone looked like amateurs. Was that the same Obi that fought Darth Maul? Hell nah. It looked like he was seriously intimidated.
I'm not sweating the length of this post. I never posted before, might never post again. But I had to say my piece.
And that is, Episode 3 will rock, because it's been building up to what we've all been wanting to see since we heard about the prequels--the fall of Anakin to Darth Vader. Isn't that what this is all about? It ain't about midichlorians or this or that. It's cut and dry.
Anyways, I'm out.
Later!!
Hmmm, well I think ROTS must be of sublime perfection to make the PT surpass the OT. But in all honesty, I don't think that will happen. After watching all my fav OT films on DVD again and even THX-1138 on DVD, I am beginning to believe Lucas was a lot better when he had a lot of restrictions. Now he has none and his movies are far from groundbreaking and impressive as the OT was. The storylines are sloppy and way too complicated and subtle to even grasp what's going on. I believe one should be able to enjoy a movie without having to watch the Making Of's explaining why it's so great. It is SW, yes, but not what could have been. Hopefully Geroge will redeem himself for TPM and AOTC in ROTS, but frankly, I am afraid for it.... and yes, that leads to the Dark Side. But then, I'll always have the OT DVD's.
People talk sh-t about the Ewoks, but it wasn't a big deal when you were a kid. It was all the same, it was cool. Now if you saw it around the mid-late nineties maybe, but not for me in the eighties. It wasn't embarassing and it wasn't pathetic. It was just Star Wars, man.
I would hardly call ROTJ embarassing/pathetic, but it is the worst of the OT. And it's not just the Ewoks.
- The inherent lameness of recycling the Death Star. It's just unoriginal.
- Boba Fett being killed by physical comedy.
- The Rebel Fleet. Even though they had ample opportunities to fix it, both the Special Edition and the DVD Edition, it's too damn small to make their defeat of that Imperial fleet believable, especially with the Death Star incinerating their ships.
- The space battle in general. While it wins points as one of the finest choreographed fighter battles in sci-fi history, the big ships do absolutely sweet f%$# all. Very disappointing. Which brings me to:
- The destruction of the Executor (aka Super Star Destroyer). Yet another "get an inconvenient problem out of the way by a huge fluke"- just like Boba Fett. It's the biggest ship ever seen on screen in Star Wars (with the exception of the Death Star), and the entire thing is taken down by a damn fighter going through the bridge. It doesn't even do anything. LAME.
- The ground battle on Endor: leaving aside the Ewoks, which goes without saying, it was, like the space battle, too one sided. All we see is Stormtroopers getting it, we hardly ever see Ewoks dying. If there had been more Ewoks getting killed it would make the battle far more believable. Leaving aside the fact that they never would've won if Chewie hadn't stolen that walker, the battle is still poorly done and leaves the impression of an Ewok victory. Which is bullsh1t.
Those are its flaws, as far as I'm concerned.
I liked Dooku better than Maul... Maul was cool, but his character never was developed as much as Dooku's in AOTC. Maul was just there, a Dark Lord of the Sith, "seeking revenge" and just went to outright kill Jedi. Dooku was a former Jedi, and double-crossed them, hitting the Jedi where it hurt, being the leader of the Seperatists and almost wiping out the Jedi right then and there.