Does the tree fall when nobody observes?

Started by Philosophicus12 pages

Sorry, I'll take back my words: Half of all the people in this forum are not idiots.

Well we're I come from, Belgium, Freedom of speech has rules and regulations. It is not allowed to call people idiots and so forth.
Maybe politicians in south africa insult eachother every day, in Belgium it is not done.

And wether you like it or not on KMC it is not allowed to insult people

Well....mmmm....it seems like the people here in a philosophy forum of all places, are actually not philosophers at all, but a closed minded, sensitive skinned police squad??? I'm sorry, but when I feel like insulting someone, I will - and feel free to insult me too - I beleive in freedom - unconditionally!

you can be philosophic without having to insult people. I don't see what being polite and courtious, and assuming other do be like that aswell, has to do with being close minded.

The Rules are there for everyone, even for you, if you do not learn to respect our rules I don't think you'll be a member of this forum for very long.

It seems that when some people's beliefs are questioned they resort to name calling. That is a sure sign of insecurity of both themselves and their belief structure. Some also should stick to philosphy because their rhetoric is rather week.

Philosphy is the investigation of the nature, causes, or principles of reality, knowledge, or values, based on logical reasoning rather than empirical methods. Logical reasoning dictates that soundwaves still carry in our atmosphere even though you may not be there to hear them. Common Sense dictates that you are not the center of the universe and things actually do happen when you are not around.

You do the subject of philosophy no favours by trying to wrap it up in psuedo-intellectaul mumbo jumbo.

Notice I stated my opinion rationally and without calling someone an idiot?

Why do you think I wrap it up into pseudo-intellectual mumbo jumbo? That's not what I'm doing - I'm merely philosophising in a rational way and analyzing concepts in the way which does it justice.

Where do you think 'logical' come from - you say that logical rather than empirical methods should be used to reason - logical reasoning depends on input from the senses(empirical).

One of the principles of modern physics is that nothing exists until it is observed.
It's like the 'schroninger's cat' problem.

I'm sorry, but when I feel like insulting someone, I will - and feel free to insult me too - I beleive in freedom - unconditionally!
oh dont worry we will

It doesn' t exist to an individual or a group of individuals while it does exist.

finti - thank you!

eleveninches - Yes! At last someone sees the light! Congratiolations.

storm - you are still off the track.

guess the def dumb and blind must stick to play the pinball then
This actually call for some great The Who stuff

Ever since I was a young boy
I've played the silver ball
From Soho down to Brighton
I must have played them all
But I ain't seen nothing like him
In any amusement hall
That deaf, dumb and blind kid
Sure plays a mean pinball
-The Who`s Pinball Wizard

Finti - they also made a movie about that aolbum, called Tommy, it is pretty good. The Who ROCKS.

Philo - Half the population of the world are idiots. No need to tell them they wouldn't agree ever anyway.

Finti - they also made a movie about that aolbum, called Tommy, it is pretty good
nah it sucks, music rocks but the movie was crap

no it was fun shut up

does finti fall when no one observes it

it was with elton john and all

Philo - your theory denies that anything happened on this planet before humans, whereas we have the evidence of many natural occurences/disasters before any human was developed or there to see.

You basically deny the existance of any events before human - we already have the evidence that things did happen before us and shall continue to happen after us.

On another note, I would also ask you to stop with the name calling. Merci.

it was with elton john and all
yeah in his funny glasses period 😘 nah the film was crap

but but but the poncho

philo-- you said that one does not exist if one is not observe...hmmm... ok...so you are basicly saying that something can't exist if there is no prove... and so you are saying that dinasaurs does not exist??? nobody that was alive had ever told of their existence... so basicly dinasaur does not exist... and nobody ever was alive to see the earth created and destroyed... so we can make a conclusion that earth can't be destroyed or created?? how can someone come out with that "idiotic" equation??

By the way... familiarity plays an important part in beeing so called "smart" or so called "idiots".... as familiarity is linked to experience.... I can't be wrong in this part... isn't it?

If you play RPG game you would understand this better...

another proverb I made today---> "one should not be intimidated but gain interest in it"