Does the tree fall when nobody observes?

Started by Philosophicus12 pages

The tree both exist and does not exist, and when it falls it both falls and falls not. Every instance of Being collapses into a reality and its opposite.

Philosophicus says:

Ou Be Low hoo, finti is a real idiot, hey? I think he calls us 'wanna be philosophers' 'cause he's incapable and probably jealous. What you say is brilliant and makes more than sense.

I am what I am - not trying to be something else. I'm an honest person, trying hard to analyze intellectual problems in a sincere and passionate way. Now please shut up. I won't respond to your senseless replies any longer.

I'M NO PLAGIARIST!!! I ONLY WRITE MY OWN ORIGINAL PHILOSOPHY! I EVEN HAVE A BOOK IN WHICH SOME OF THESE POSTS ARE PUBLISHED IN, ENTITLED: "THOUGHTS OF A THINKER" JUST TYPE MY NAME INTO GOOGLE AND YOU'LL GET A LOT OF LINKS TO OTHER ARTICLES I'VE WRITTEN AND ALSO WHERE YOU CAN FIND MY BOOK- YOU CAN ORDER THE BOOK FROIM LULU.COM PUBLISHERS - LOOK FOR THE NAME WERNER REYNEKE - MY BIRTH NAME.

YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO CALL ME A PLAGIARIST, SHEERLY OUT OF JEALOUSY OR ANGER

All I'm saying is that my posts are honestly my own work - I swear on my life for that!

And I do have a right to call him an idiot - he's a f*cking fly...irritating me with his utter idiocy!

It is hard to rationally accept the philosophies of one who so irrationally argues and belittles others in such a childish manner. As a Proffessor I would expect a certain degree of decorum that you fail to exhibit on a regular basis.

Philosophicus says:

The tree both exist and does not exist, and when it falls it both falls and falls not. Every instance of Being collapses into a reality and its opposite.

This both makes sense and doesn't make sense, no waite, it doesn't make sense at all. You may now insult me at your leisure Philo.

guys A keep it civil, B keep it ON TOPIC

Originally posted by Bijan
Ok. Does anyone want to refute any of my points? Because i have typed a lot of arguments up here and not one has been even touched. I'll consider the argument won in my favor then.

Well, I guess my words were chosen badly. What I meant is that humans are able to communicate with one another. For example, I can point to a chair, and we both see the chair. If each person creates their own universe, what are the chances that everyone in the world has created the chair. Although of course, your philosophy could be the explanation for why some peopel see bigfoot and some peopel don't. 😉

Originally posted by Bijan
Does anyone want to refute any of my points? Because i have typed a lot of arguments up here and not one has been even touched. I'll consider the argument won in my favor then.

^ This is not a very philosophical approach to discussion.

Bijan, I posted this, directed at you earlier: "ok Bijan You say in one of your posts that there is order and harmony in the universe - who told you this? It's an assumption at best."

Originally posted by eggmayo
I think trees do fall when noones around, there is no proof that they fell, but they will be on the floor.
This seems to be a weird interpretation of the chinese proverb about whether the tree makes a noise.

it could of been piked up and placed there ....😐

We are talking about events in general here - even if someone picked up the tree and moved it - that's also an event. The question is NOT HOWsomething happened, BUT IF it happened.

Originally posted by Philosophicus
Bijan, I posted this, directed at you earlier: "ok Bijan You say in one of your posts that there is order and harmony in the universe - who told you this? It's an assumption at best."

Matter is organised into stars, galaxies, planets, life, and many other organised things. An unorganised, discord filled universe would be arranged into clouds, formulyde, and more clouds of gravitationally attracted clouds. You look at the universe, it seems very orderly, with the gravity being perfect for life and for decent sized stars, the hydrogen to helium conversion rate producing just enough energy to allow stars to form heavy metals... I think it's to do with Chaos Theory. Regardless, if you look at the other googleplexes (10 to the power of 10 to the power of a hundred, a very large number) of possibilities, ours seems the most likely candidate for order.

Originally posted by Philosophicus
We are talking about events in general here - even if someone picked up the tree and moved it - that's also an event. The question is NOT HOWsomething happened, BUT IF it happened.
If it has some effect like reducing the amount of oxygen in the air, or being found 10000000 years in the future as a piece of coal, does that count?

Originally posted by Philosophicus
Bijan, I posted this, directed at you earlier: "ok Bijan You say in one of your posts that there is order and harmony in the universe - who told you this? It's an assumption at best."

What I meant is that humans are able to communicate with one another. For example, I can point to a chair, and we both see the chair. If each person creates their own universe, what are the chances that everyone in the world has created the chair.

I didn't mean harmony as in peace. I meant that humans can communicate and effectively live together in such a way, that we both see the same objects, and hear the same sounds.

wether anyones there or not the tree will still fall, law of nature, if its gonna happen its gonna happen reguardless.

correct me if im wrong because ill post anything to get philos rebuttle because there enjoyful..

this is just a statement i dont believe in this but its just as plausible as the next

in my reality there is a god he is a giant taco named jim and he created the universe out of beans and therefore we are beans..
before you laugh and just discredit this imagine i have schizo so in my world that is true as i percieve it..

if you dont agree with this post its how you take it but to a schizo person or just "crazy" person it is there reality which is not your own it exists to them please philo massacre this im serious i love reading your replies

what mine? 😑

no this is to philo he believes there is only one truth when there is infinite and to each his own so no not to you

I was quite surprised to come back and find this here, should have been here right from the start. but this is where alot of arguments could start because every one has their own views and therefore defend them to the death. good thing tho. entises ppl to talk more deeply on a more intelectual level. sorry for being blonde and confused. so many new members.

im only 15... i love philosophy
philosophy is also like debate which i love as well so this forum is perfect i think im gonna like it here
oh and i dont believe in stereotypes...
i believe in those who want to be that stereo type however

and I'm lost already! thats a record. I'm a bit slow to day you'll have to forgive me but when I'm more awake I'm sure we could have a jaw grinding convo.

This question can be answered on two levels.

Level 1: yes.

Level 2:...yes.

victor you just said yes i want mind bending hard material to read hear man otherwise you sound like a jackass so please next time asnwer the question and give a statement why