Does the tree fall when nobody observes?

Originally posted by Bijan
What I meant is that humans are able to communicate with one another. For example, I can point to a chair, and we both see the chair. If each person creates their own universe, what are the chances that everyone in the world has created the chair.

I didn't mean harmony as in peace. I meant that humans can communicate and effectively live together in such a way, that we both see the same objects, and hear the same sounds.

bijan here is my opinion JUST AN OPINION

there is multiple realities our own and the main reality
its like imagine to circles that intersect thats just a theory i thought of it in like .5 seconds i just felt like writing it

yes, the tree does exist and does fall...even if there is no human observation.

we are not the dictators of reality. If a comet or asteroid slams into the earth destroying all mankind....the universe as it is will still exist...we are an effect..not a cause...

just my opinion.....

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Originally posted by dread
yes, the tree does exist and does fall...even if there is no human observation.

we are not the dictators of reality. If a comet or asteroid slams into the earth destroying all mankind....the universe as it is will still exist...we are an effect..not a cause...

just my opinion.....

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i think he doesnt mean in a literal sense just as a the connected human conciousness
because if humanity cant percieve it it no longer is connected to our realm of being..
a tree will remain a tree but if we arent there for it it no longer exists
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The wording of the question seems a bit weird. Does a tree fall when nobody is there to observes it? Of course. A tree falling is an action independent of anybodies consciousness. One may never know it happend but that is irrelevant.

If you were to plant a tree, left and came back years later. Does that mean it didnt grow because you didnt observe its growth? Does one to observe it or is it an action that is independent of anybody else?

Id say the former and not the latter.

read my post above

the tree will grow there are multiple counciousness there is a main which all are connected soppose the tree's is a circle and humanities another and all is connected to all if we didnt see it grow and we came back to it say 50 years later it would have grown on its own counciousness (i wouldnt know what a trees would be like) and our circle would have came across it on its rotation as the same time as ours.. i dont know i just came up with this at the top of my head

trees dont have conscioudness.

Actions take place, regardless of whether or not it is observed. Dont try to get too deep on this one.

lol ya your right on that one pat yourself on the back good dog!

i also said i thought of that in like 5 seconds so lay off me man

I suggest you dont insult me, its not befitting.

im to tired to keep posting see you tomorrow

Originally posted by brandino
correct me if im wrong because ill post anything to get philos rebuttle because there enjoyful..

this is just a statement i dont believe in this but its just as plausible as the next

in my reality there is a god he is a giant taco named jim and he created the universe out of beans and therefore we are beans..
before you laugh and just discredit this imagine i have schizo so in my world that is true as i percieve it..

if you dont agree with this post its how you take it but to a schizo person or just "crazy" person it is there reality which is not your own it exists to them please philo massacre this im serious i love reading your replies

OK. There are infinite realities. No single person has the authority to say his reality is the absolute truth. An 'outside reality' such as a tree collapsing, only becomes real when someone observes it, and even then it remains a subjective reality. No one can proof that things happen when we are not around. Things unaware collapse into their own reality, as well as things that are observed. Subjectivity is at the heart of all intelligent cognition and self-consciousnes. No one can lay a claim to be the one objective authority and anyone who does not agree with this is simply misguided in a very hilarious way.

im tired dude were you agreeing our disagreeing?

No one can proof that things happen when we are not around

How about the tree lying on the ground? Is that not proof?

If you were unable to prove that a person committed murdered , does that mean that they did not murder?

Of course not. Observing something taking place does not alter the whether or not it took place. An action is an action, whether anyone is around to notice it or not. Just because you dont know something happend, doesnt mean it didnt happen.

Brandino - I was agreeing with you.

clickclick - think again about what you said.

If you are stating that there is no evidence it happend, as in no tree lying on the ground then it would never be an issue. It couldnt be a question of whether or not it happend because there would be nothing to acknowledge having happend.

What I'm saying is that only when something is observed does it collapse into a reality - when you find a tree lying on the ground, then it might have fallen, but only in your opinion. When you don't observe something, it neither exists, nor does it not exist.

You would be able to find evidence for whether or not it fell, then it would become a fact.

Observing what ? So long as there is something to observe, it makes not difference whether one actually did observe it or not.

If a tree fell but you didnt observe it, did it still fall?

Of course. By asking that very question, you are implying that it took place, therefore you have your answer.

If I planted a tree, carved my name into it and came back two years later and noticed that it was taller. Independent of anyones observation , it grew. Even if nobody ever saw it again, so long as it was taller or bigger, it grew.

Somethings actions are determined by whatever factors are involved in that action, not whether or not one observes that action.

Sating that one must observe for an action to take place is a non sequitur.

Originally posted by clickclick
You would be able to find evidence for whether or not it fell, then it would become a fact.

But to find the evidence, you would need to observe the evidence, otherwise IT would not exist.

That is simply untrue. So long as there is evidence to find, then it does exist.

There are no facts - only opinions/interpretations - Nietzsche

I'm supposed to care that he stated that? That is merely HIS OPINION and a wrong one at that.

What a joke.