As much as I'm against the "Superman is it" theory, which is why I always disrespected that character (they just made him too powerful, its ridiculous, why not give him regenerating limbs, telekinesis, sight into the future, invisibility and shape shifting abilities too and have everything covered?), and as much as I like Carnage, Superman gets the win.
Originally posted by Kontraz
i'm convinced that wasnt carnage. I think it was some other symbiote that nobody really knows about. I mean, it didnt even look like carnage! It was completely reddish-pink (carnage is deep red with black "goop" coarsing over the red), AND IT HAD TEETH! Carnage has ALWAYS been absent teeth! And considering that the rest of the art is great, i dont think it was just an artistic mistake. Maybe the symbiote spawned (a 2nd time???) and that was just some other random villian with a new symbiote suit and didnt know how to use it.back on subject.... yeah, supes has heat vision.... heat + symbiote = bad....
I'm pretty damn sure that was Carnage, especially with the book specifically saying that it WAS Carnage. And as for the teeth thing, you'd have to talk to the artist about that, but it IS Carnage.
im going to hurt a lot of people feelings on this site but i think that the venom and superman fight made a lot of since. The reason why i say this is because superman isnt a fighter, he relies to much on his power, whereas venom fights everyday and has a fighting strategy. In that fight superman did his usual, fly at you and try to punch. Venom made him into a joke because to be honest superman dont have a strategy. Hes not a cosmic character he dont control matter or disperse electrons, he has simple powers, shoot out the eyes ice breath etc.. which is common. Venom owned superman because of his superior fighting ability. Give batman superstrenght he would beat the breaks off of superman. Superman has great powers but he needs to stay fighting people who just punch and shoot things, (which is what dc is all about about) Dc dont display perfect technique like marvel fighters does. Everybody is always talking about how superman will speedblitz somebody or throw them in space or in the sun, if he could do this he wouldnt have any enemeis. He is capable of doing that but the person he is fighting has to be a human in order to stand there and let someone pick you up and throw u in space. If you take away superman powers, it aint nothing special about him but venom, hes a fighter and his host is a fighter and i understand how superman lost that fight because he rely on brute strength and venom faces this everyday. To be honest i think wolverine would give superman a great fight to (if his claws could cut him) because wolverine is a strategist, with powers and razor sharp claws. If superman came to marvel to stay, he wouldnt be so great, he would literally get beat down on a regular basis because with dc theyre based off powers but marvel is based off fighting 1st (which what make comics interesting) then powers 2nd, thats how wolverine overcame lobo, hes a better fighter endowed with a healing factor and enhanced strength, and acute senses. Im not going to lye lobo is a lot more powerful than wolverine but dc is just sorry fighter and thats why they were demolished in the fights with marvel. Even spiderman beat the breaks off of superboy because of his superior fighting technique.
Let me give you 1 more example; do u remember when spiderman met superman and he wanted to know where mary jane was and lex luthor put a light that was powered by the red sun. Spiderman was beating superman down and superman couldnt believe it, he thought that spiderman had a strength increase from the last time they met. Superman couldnt land a blow on spiderman. Then lex cut the machine off and spiderman was no longer taking advantage but the point of the story is that spiderman was beating superman because of his superior fighting style. Superman needs to take some karate sessions and wolverine needs to be his teacher.
I WISH all of what you said was true...but superman is still way too powerful for a lot of his opponents that it overwhelms their fightng ability. I didn't find the venom vs superman crossover THAT unbelievable... It did annoy me though. Superman should be able to do to Venom what sentry did to carnage.
Originally posted by derrick24
im going to hurt a lot of people feelings on this site but i think that the venom and superman fight made a lot of since. The reason why i say this is because superman isnt a fighter, he relies to much on his power, whereas venom fights everyday and has a fighting strategy. In that fight superman did his usual, fly at you and try to punch. Venom made him into a joke because to be honest superman dont have a strategy. Hes not a cosmic character he dont control matter or disperse electrons, he has simple powers, shoot out the eyes ice breath etc.. which is common. Venom owned superman because of his superior fighting ability. Give batman superstrenght he would beat the breaks off of superman. Superman has great powers but he needs to stay fighting people who just punch and shoot things, (which is what dc is all about about) Dc dont display perfect technique like marvel fighters does. Everybody is always talking about how superman will speedblitz somebody or throw them in space or in the sun, if he could do this he wouldnt have any enemeis. He is capable of doing that but the person he is fighting has to be a human in order to stand there and let someone pick you up and throw u in space. If you take away superman powers, it aint nothing special about him but venom, hes a fighter and his host is a fighter and i understand how superman lost that fight because he rely on brute strength and venom faces this everyday. To be honest i think wolverine would give superman a great fight to (if his claws could cut him) because wolverine is a strategist, with powers and razor sharp claws. If superman came to marvel to stay, he wouldnt be so great, he would literally get beat down on a regular basis because with dc theyre based off powers but marvel is based off fighting 1st (which what make comics interesting) then powers 2nd, thats how wolverine overcame lobo, hes a better fighter endowed with a healing factor and enhanced strength, and acute senses. Im not going to lye lobo is a lot more powerful than wolverine but dc is just sorry fighter and thats why they were demolished in the fights with marvel. Even spiderman beat the breaks off of superboy because of his superior fighting technique.
Let me give you 1 more example; do u remember when spiderman met superman and he wanted to know where mary jane was and lex luthor put a light that was powered by the red sun. Spiderman was beating superman down and superman couldnt believe it, he thought that spiderman had a strength increase from the last time they met. Superman couldnt land a blow on spiderman. Then lex cut the machine off and spiderman was no longer taking advantage but the point of the story is that spiderman was beating superman because of his superior fighting style. Superman needs to take some karate sessions and wolverine needs to be his teacher.
Originally posted by JWangSDC
I WISH all of what you said was true...but superman is still way too powerful for a lot of his opponents that it overwhelms their fightng ability. I didn't find the venom vs superman crossover THAT unbelievable... It did annoy me though. Superman should be able to do to Venom what sentry did to carnage.
Yes he should, Well done Wanger 😄
well in all fairness wolverine beat lobo because he had more fanboys while nobody knew who lobo was....... sorry to say I kind of understand where you got that theory....but you just asked for the crap storm to reign down upon you from a lot of these pissed off board members....good luck and god speed.
"I WISH all of what you said was true...but superman is still way too powerful for a lot of his opponents that it overwhelms their fightng ability. I didn't find the venom vs superman crossover THAT unbelievable... It did annoy me though. Superman should be able to do to Venom what sentry did to carnage"
I just think that superman underestimated venom and with a power down...that wasn't a very smart idea.....but it does solidify my theory that superman is a walking peice of turd without his precious super strength at full.
you all are correct superman is a great character but people make it where he could beat anybody, he cant. Thor would own superman because of his superior fighting style. Venom beat the breaks off of superman because of his superior fighting style but if the fight dragged out he could have won, due to heat vision and he wasnt toined down. Superman has a hard time with fighters, none of his enemies has no kind of fighting style, they do the same thing he does punch and kick with no technique.
Superman wont be able to do the same thing that sentry did, senty is more than superman in every area, including strength. Carnage will give superman a good fight, hate to say it but he would. Marvel is on a different level than dc, dc has the power that true but some of marvel best fighter stands up to cosmic level being all the time. This is superman strategy from all the comics i own; 1st he charges you and tries to punch, then he gets up close and tries hand to hand (which hes not good in) then his heat vision and ice breathe is back up. Carnage will be going all out the entire fight, just like venom did when they fought. I would love to see superman come to marvel to stay, maybe some of his comics would sell then. 1st encounter with carnage superman gets the breaks beaten off of him. 2nd encounter he knows carnage weakness and exploit it.
answer this question for me if you think the wolverine and lobo fight wasnt accurate. Why did dc and marvel pitt them together to be voted on. Why did they fight in the 1st place. Do you want to know why because they knew that wolverine has the capabilities of beating lobo. Wolverine can beat lobo just like lobo can beat wolverine, no matter if it was fan voted are not if dc and marvel didnt think that wolverine was a match for lobo they would have pitted him against a weaker foe.
just like i said black robb you dont know comics. Carnage will give superman a good fight, superman isnt one of the best fighter out there, thats why he get owned by batman sometimes and wonderwomen because theyre better fighter. Superman will power keeps him from losing which makes him a great character but fighting a maniac with all kinds of powers of his own would take a great tole on superman ON THERE 1ST ENCOUNTER but after that superman will know his weakness and win.
Originally posted by derrick24good point but i still think that on their first battle Carnage would lose because he's nowhere near as strong as supes,his suit probably couldnt pierce him,and he's not invulnerable so his punches would probably demolish him.
just like i said black robb you dont know comics. Carnage will give superman a good fight, superman isnt one of the best fighter out there, thats why he get owned by batman sometimes and wonderwomen because theyre better fighter. Superman will power keeps him from losing which makes him a great character but fighting a maniac with all kinds of powers of his own would take a great tole on superman ON THERE 1ST ENCOUNTER but after that superman will know his weakness and win.
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