This is a really good question, given their fighting skills and experience. But, the lightsabre really does tip the scales in this situation. I'm sure a lightsabre could penetrate the matal on Wolvies bones. But, you also have to take the healing factor into consideration. I'm sure this would be one hell of a fight. Good question.
if wolvie were in the star wars universe then yeah, i agree, but then that would basically be making the battle completely one-sided, seeing as their from different universe i think it would be right to say that lightsabers and adamantium cancel eachother out, thats only to make it even though.....wolvie has a healing factor and that would tip the scales but thats part of wolvie, not the universe he lives in
Originally posted by K3VIL
Do you understand the victory of Obi Wan was forced?Do you understand Obi Wan is a key character in the saga, they can let him die in Episode I or how they would explain what happens in Episode IV?
Sure...
Of course Obi has to live (duh) but there were lots of other possibilities for Darth Maul to come back. But no, Lucas wanted him dead.
Alright, kids. I registered here for the sole purpose of clearing up this nonsense for you, so listen and listen good.
Until the New Jedi Order series, Star Wars took place in one (count it) one galaxy. In the NJO another galaxy was discovered and its inhabitants (The Yuuzhan Vong) couldn't be felt in the force. The jedi couldn't force choke them, anticipate their moves, etc. .......This made the Jedi rethink their views on the force, the general consensus thereafter being that the force wasn't all-binding and that only things within their original/known galaxy were made up of "The force."
*ahem.* Also, the lightsaber has NEVER had the reputation of being able to cut through anything. The lightsaber is ultra-sweet (This is true)and it cuts through flesh and a lot of other things like they were butter, but there have always been things that lightsabers couldn't cut through. Vibro Blades, Amphistaffs, and Vonduun crab armor are all capable of withstanding a lightsaber strike.
Some idiot here proposed that since star wars takes place in the future that they're capable of constructing stronger materials than Marvel is..
Newsflash: A LONG TIME AGO, in a galaxy far far away.....
Alright, with these things established, onto the match.
Darth Maul Vs. Wolverine
Wolverine comes from a different galaxy and is therefore rendered invisible in the force. (Note the galaxy/yuuzhan vong clause as seen above.) This means that Darth Maul does not get the pleasure of knowing what Wolverine's going to do before he does it, he can't touch Wolverine through the force, no choking etc......Darth Maul's force powers in this fight are limited to the enhancement of his own body. He can still use the force to jump extra high and to use his weapon effectively, but he definately loses a lot of those nasty dark side power advantages.
Conversely, Wolverine's heightened senses are not rooted in the force and so he gets to keep them, which in this scenario would make him the one who knows what moves are going to be made before they are...well, kinda. It's probably not that precise, but it's more than Maul's got in that area.
So far we've got Maul with Force enhanced agility, speed, a deadly saber-staff, and 20 years of jedi fighting experience, oh wait...the sith were in hiding for a long time, so chances are Maul didn't really fight a lot of Jedi, but I'm sure he killed plenty of other people......
And then we have Wolverine, probably not as fast as Maul is when using the force, but he's undoubtedly stronger (You'd have to be in order to carry 80 pounds of heavy metal on your bones.) and his animal senses are likely to give him better initiative. He has the ability to heal damage, and the guy's got over 90 years of baddie fighting experience,oh wait....yeah 90 years of baddie fighting experience.
Now onto the controversy. Claws, Scissors, Sabers? What cuts what?
Alright, how about for the purposes of this duel, we just say the blades can't cut eachother. This way they can have one of those epic battles where they clash and push against eachother, having to seek out eachother's internal organs for a chance to win the fight, etc.
Things worth taking into account: Because of his healing factor, Wolverine is more adept at trading blows. When two deadly warriors fight eachother with deadly weapons, it's usually safe to say that the person who strikes first is the victor. However, this isn't an ordinary pairing so even though Maul is Faster, Wolverine can take more of a beating. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if Wolverine accepted a critical wound from Maul for the purpose of administering a mortal wound upon our sith friend. I'm of the opinion that Maul's speed and Wolverine's constitution cancel eachother out because it could go either way when based on that alone.
So what does it all come down to? It's simple.
Maul's 20 years of sitting in his bedroom, perfecting his moves, waiting for the day he'll get to fight a real Jedi.
Wolverine's 90 years fighting bonified badasses.
My prediction then? Darth Maul gets a good start, uses his dark side training, making every effort to intimidate or otherwise inspire fear by inflicting superficial wounds on Wolverine. When the sith teachings have failed to gain him the upperhand, he becomes more and more angered by his lack of ability to sense Wolverine in the force. He bathes in that anger, letting it take over, making an overhead slash down at Wolverine's head. Wolverine raised his right hand to block, catching the saber's blade between two claws. The pain he feels as the saber burns away the skin on his knuckles inspires a rage of his own. Wolverine pivots on his left foot with a furious howl and shoots his left hand out in an upward arc towards Maul's neck. It's a shame. If wolverine existed in the force, Maul might have executed a deadly counter, but instead his feet are dangling a few inches off the ground. The only thing supporting his weight is the single claw through his throat.
Ok. When I started this I'd already been awake for 46 hours, so ignore the typos and such. Thank you very much. Sorry to all the disappointed Maul fans but hey, I did the research, I answered the stupid fanboy question with a conclusion as realistic as a stupid fanboy question can be answered.
-KDOTW
Originally posted by Kelly_SuxxxorsWolverine comes from a different galaxy and is therefore rendered invisible in the force.
Nice post, but how do you know that the Earth is not in the same galaxy then the SW galaxy? I mean, maybe similar life was formed in another planet?
But anyway, that is an good post. And I believe that Wolverine will win too.
If Maul uses his duel light saber in a fight with Wolverine he is going to loss the fight in under a minute. It is an impractical weapon that leaves many openings a requires you to spin to use it, any fighter with a ounce of skill will capitalize on this and take Maul out.
And wow, nice post Kelly_Suxxxors.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Nice post, but how do you know that the Earth is not in the same galaxy then the SW galaxy? I mean, maybe similar life was formed in another planet?But anyway, that is an good post. And I believe that Wolverine will win too.
Well, being that us here on Earth were subjected to the opening line "A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away.", I'm led to believe that star wars does in fact take place in a Galaxy far, far away from our own.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
If Maul uses his duel light saber in a fight with Wolverine he is going to loss the fight in under a minute. It is an impractical weapon that leaves many openings a requires you to spin to use it, any fighter with a ounce of skill will capitalize on this and take Maul out.And wow, nice post Kelly_Suxxxors.
Correct. The Saber-Staff is indeed less than practical. The only reason Maul has been able to use it effectively in the past is because the force has let him anticipate an opponent's moves, thereby making the penalty for using such a weapon minimal. When fighting someone that can't be sensed in the force, however, he would be at a considerable disadvantage.
Are we using EU stuff? 'Cause if we are, we almost can't use the movies since they're not in the same continuity as the comics and some of the novels.
And if we aren't, that kind of lops off some of Suxxies point.
Originally posted by Kelly_Suxxxors
Some idiot here proposed that since star wars takes place in the future that they're capable of constructing stronger materials than Marvel is..Newsflash: A LONG TIME AGO, in a galaxy far far away.....
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
If Maul uses his duel light saber in a fight with Wolverine he is going to loss the fight in under a minute. It is an impractical weapon that leaves many openings a requires you to spin to use it, any fighter with a ounce of skill will capitalize on this and take Maul out.
Originally posted by Swanky-TunaThat's the whole point of the sith/jedi bladeforms. To use them so there are no, or as few as possible, openings.
As far as EU goes, I think comics should be excluded because they don't come under the microscope as much as novels do. As far as the EU novels go, I think that ones taking place before episode 1 should also be excluded because they do on occasion conflict with existing plots etc.
But the things that take place after ROTJ? Those we can keep because Lucas never covered that territory. It was free game and he allowed the publication of these free game novels. And the truth of the matter is that Lucas didn't even write the original star wars, and so it would be kind of idiotic to believe that in order for a star wars story to be valid it has to be written by Lucas.
That being said, much of the jedi/sith saber proficiency revolves around the force. In a format where you have ranged weapons that are plenty deadly, the Jedi's melee capabilities are largely dependant upon the force. If they couldn't sense things in the force, they'd be getting their asses handed to them by any fool with a blaster. (Which is why those of us outside the force don't use swords much anymore.)
Now, of course, there's two sides to force advantage. The force lets you know your body and movement and let's you know your opponent's body and movements. When either of those is lacking, you'd be better off with a blaster.......unless, of course, you're a mutant that can withstand ridiculous amounts of physical punishment.