conspiracy theorists

"Have anyone considered explosives being kept INSIDE the Pentagon?
I mean, if you don’t believe it was a plane, then you must have a guess (even an uneducated one) as to what it was."

That's something I considered alot. Should the base theory of a plane hitting it be false, then the next likely conclusion would be explosives inside, yes.

Well, I wouldn't put it past them to keep the explosives in there.

"Do you believe the military itself messed up their headquarters? Or…"

Can't say I'd really put it past them. When people say the military may have messed their own base up, I doubt they did it on a whim if they did actually commit the act theirselves. Would have arranged it so minimal cost or what not, was exuded. In truth, I don't know what went down, these are just guesses. I'm not pinning anything down.

"Sorry,. but... yes it does... it looks like a frigging plane hit it! The people who say otherwise are insane."

I'm not insane. I just don't think it looked at a glance, like a passenger jet had hit it. From the pictures and footage I saw (not saying that makes it true, but I have seen many as I'm sure you have) it looked a tad suspect. That's all.

-AC

Originally posted by The Omega
Bardock> But – conspiratorically speaking – what could the Bush-administration need more than two planes in WTC?
When 9/11 is mentioned do most people not think of the twin towers?

Well thats what I am saying. If I wanted to make sure that I get reelected and that I can do a hell of a lot more than I am supposed to I would do that.

Now don't get me wrong its sad that it happened, but just reasonably it was one of the best things that could happen to the Bush administration 😬

AC> ” Can't say I'd really put it past them.”
I think you and I can readily agree that there is very little we SHOULDN’T put past leaders – just take a peep at history in general.
Look at the countless wars, power-abuse, REAL scandals (aka Watergate and Iran-contra, Oliver North), money-grabbing and so on and so forth.
Look at the leaders. The Danish Prime minister was in the 80’s removed from his post as minister of treasury for lying to the parliament – now he’s the prime… minister. Look at Ariel Sharon, convicted as responsible for the massacre in Lebanon in 82, judged to never be able to hold political office.
Look at Boy George who stole the 2000 election in the US.
So no… I don’t have much faith in politicians.

” The people who say otherwise are insane."
Wasn’t that said by governments about people who didn’t believe Hussein had weapons of mass-destruction piled up in Iraq?

I’ve always believed it WAS a plane hitting the Pentagon. But AC usually doesn’t claim Martians are behind Earthquakes, so I’m willing to listen…

Actually I have seem some evidence that makes it hard to belive there actually was a passenger plane

it doesnt look like a passenger plane i admit...i heard that the goverment put some fake plane wreckage by the explosion to make believe that a plane had hit the pentagon.....and its a fact that the fbi tryed to round up all the video evidence of the accident so no one could see it......why would they do this?

Well if it was all just a fake they could do whatever the **** they wanted

"So no… I don’t have much faith in politicians."

I agree with all of what you said including this. Considering history, our politicians haven't exactly done their job correctly or honestly. Not much we shouldn't put past them is right.

"I’ve always believed it WAS a plane hitting the Pentagon. But AC usually doesn’t claim Martians are behind Earthquakes, so I’m willing to listen…"

Thank you. I'm not saying it absolutely was not a plane, just from what I have to go by I don't believe it was a passenger flight, meaning like a boeing or whatever. There would have been way more damage and way more debris than was cleared up in the time people got there I think. I really don't know for sure, some say it was a plane going along the ground into the Pentagon, some say that fighter jets shot it down. Some say the hole was too precise to be caused by a random crash.

Whatever it was, I'm just not entirely convinced it's a "yeah it was a plane" as it seems. If it was, my mind would be at rest to be honest. It's scary to think just what would our governments do to cover shit up.

-AC

Martians are behind Earthquakes......who said that? lol

Err, sorry, but no. Anyone who believes that that was not the damage caused by an aeroplane has had a major logic failure.

This is pure concoction of nonsense, and no decent motive has ever been offered.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Err, sorry, but no. Anyone who believes that that was not the damage caused by an aeroplane has had a major logic failure.

This is pure concoction of nonsense, and no decent motive has ever been offered.

i think there is a motive ...to go to war with iraq

What, they specifically faked that specific bit to go to war with Iraq despite the fact that all the evidence they subsequently found was all pointing towards Al-Qaeda? Pretty crappy conspiracy!

It only works if you say ALL of 9/11 was faked, clearly untrue. Why the hell would they fake that one extra bit? How could they even have KNOWN?

If you really are going to say that this idea only works if 9/11 was a US fake, then you have again left the realms of common sense and sanity.

how on earth do u know what went on?
was you there?
your reality like most others is to believe what the goverment and newspapers tell you
the fact is you dont know what plans were made before the events of 9/11
neither do i but to say you know the truth for sure IS insanity

I have never heard that anyone thought that 911 was set up, that's just crazy. I have heard that the U.S. Gov't knew that there was going to be a terrorist attack on American soil and that they could use the fall out to push their agenda's of an Afghanistan pipeline and invasion of Iraq, but they had no idea how BIG the attack actually was going to be.

Originally posted by dean7879
how on earth do u know what went on?
was you there?
your reality like most others is to believe what the goverment and newspapers tell you
the fact is you dont know what plans were made before the events of 9/11
neither do i but to say you know the truth for sure IS insanity

This statement is evidence of what has been stated as trouble in this thread already. You have gone from simple scepticism to outright fantasism.

I am secure that these fears are ignorant babble. No attempt by you to say we don't know anything for sure will deflect that. It is simply ludicrous. If you want people to believe a claim, back it with evidence- else don't waste anyone's time.

neither do i but to say you know the truth for sure IS insanity

Originally posted by Ushgarak
This statement is evidence of what has been stated as trouble in this thread already. You have gone from simple scepticism to outright fantasism.

I am secure that these fears are ignorant babble. No attempt by you to say we don't know anything for sure will deflect that. It is simply ludicrous. If you want people to believe a claim, back it with evidence- else don't waste anyone's time.

wheres your evidence?

Originally posted by finti
seeing concpiracy in every event is the insane part

so its wrong to bring up these sort of questions?

There is tons of it, from investigations all over the world. Every lead points towards it. And the amount of totally unreasonable things that would have to happen for your theory to be true makes it totally untenable.

You want to know why people look down on conspiracy theorists? You've shown your own point- it is because you talk so much outright crud, and then think by saying "You cannot prove everything you know is not wrong and that it is actually this way" is an even vaguely intellectual justifcation for such hogwash.

Fact is. the established situation is that Al-Qaeda attacked the US with three planes on 9/11. Now, as I say, either produce evidence to challenge that and make out the US organised it against itself (and for some reason did not use a plane on the Pentagon but then tried to tell everyone it was a plane... such gibberish...), or you have NOTHING.

so its wrong to bring up these sort of questions?

Questioning things is good.

Questioning everything for the sake of it is stupid.

-AC