What do you think death is ?

Originally posted by debbiejo
Why?....and if I did even believe in a "hell" I wouldn't even imagine sending anyone there for eternity..not even my worst enemy......Why would you want someone to suffer any pain?

For instance, EVERYONE in this forum should be beaten with a stick. Not to the point where they're a lifeless vegetable, but beaten so they have a few lumps and bruises to remember..

Hell should be like lumps and bruises for the soul. Not forever, but something to grow on. And teach you God doesn't **** around..

So who would be judge to inflict a punishment?...What standards would you use...?...What premise would you get that from?

nothingness, simply ceasing to be

I know it’s not a comforting thought, but all the things I’ve ever heard about afterlife are just silly to me

It makes sense

Originally posted by Morgoths_Wrath
nothingness, simply ceasing to be

I know it’s not a comforting thought, but all the things I’ve ever heard about afterlife are just silly to me

It makes sense

Nothingness is not empty.

There is more to the universe than you or I can understand. There is at least 10 dimension maybe more. This is difficult to understand, so, I will give you an illustration. If you lived in a 2 dimensional world, forward, backward, left and right, up and down would not exist. If this 2 dimensional world was floating in a 3 dimensional world, up and down would exist, but not to you. If someone were to tell you that there was space above and below, you would say there is nothing there and nothingness does not exist. You would be wrong.

Going by logic, this question is an easy one...death is the end...you cease to exist, all things have a beggining and an end. However I have an odd feeling about this subject, to live an insignificant amount of time doing insignificant tasks then once your pointless life is over your dead for good...it just seems so...stupid...I think there are many higher beings than us, not like the christian god, the nature of a higher being is beyond our understanding as a human is to an ant, to try to rationalize the nature of a higher being with our limited minds is ignorant...I also think there is more to life than we can understand and the question what is life and what is death is best left unanswerable.

Death is when time has done it's job of pushing all living matter to its final conclusion...but not the inner living essence of energy of what we are.....That's eternal...

Gandalf explains it all......
"End? No, the journey doesn't end here. Death is just another path, one that we all must take. The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all turns to silver glass, and then you see it."

Mythical Character in a movie or not...this quote is right in every way to me.

HAHAHAHA DAMN HIPPI... J/K

Death is the opposite of life. As hard as it is to acknowledge that fact and as much as we wish with every fabric of our being that it were otherwise, the fact of the matter is that death is extremely simple: It is a black void. There is no pain, no happiness, no heaven, no hell, no judgement, no retribution and no action or movement of ANY kind. Remember, we're talking "dead" here, not nightmare. Lol. So, there is no feeling of any kind & no remembrance of any kind. There is simply no "awareness" of self or anything else. Nada. Uh uh. Nope. No you, nobody, no thing, no sensation of any kind - just no nothing at all.

If you are a kid or a coward and can't understand or accept this then go ahead, take the easy way out. Cling to the fairy tales you've been told or those of your own elaboration. But it's a losers game because no matter how elaborate and no matter with what passion we believe our own stories, efforts like that will only insure your future demise and one day lead to your deepest experience of true TERROR, the likes of which you can scarcely imagine. For a few moments anyway, when at the point of death, you will fleetingly witness the complete and utter dissolution of everything that is "you". Perhaps you will remember my words as your rapidly fading mind goes screaming into oblivion - ahh, but then it WILL be too late my friend. Like the untold billions upon billions of humans that have gone before you, you will thus follow. One more idiot to add to the list entitled "The Forsaken" if ever there was such a list.

The legendary rock artist/poet Jim Morrison once said: "Nobody gets outta here alive." While that may be true on one level, I have had experiences that convince me each of us do have an opportunity, while still alive, to find a doorway out of this rat cage. Not talking suicide of course! Just the opposite - it is a way that involves embracing life instead of running away from it. In the process you rise above it all but still remain here, grounded in reality, alive and well, living out the course of your life as normal but without all the fear and loathing that accompanies one who is otherwise condemned to live like a slave, like a trapped animal or someone who desperately clings to a set of old beliefs that are becoming increasing untenable over time.

Aside from advances in science and medicine, there is a way to achieve more life, to postpone death and even defeat it but no one can tell you how. There is a doorway, a portal, a more fully human way of living, but you have to discover it for yourself. Though invisible, the doorway is there. Only you can find it. Only you can start with the "knocking". This is everyones most important task in life. Our foremost raison d'être! Everything else will follow of its own accord.

Originally posted by jOHN_Anderton
Death is the opposite of life. As hard as it is to acknowledge that fact and as much as we wish with every fabric of our being that it were otherwise, the fact of the matter is that death is extremely simple: It is a black void. There is no pain, no happiness, no heaven, no hell, no judgement, no retribution and no action or movement of ANY kind. Remember, we're talking "dead" here, not nightmare. Lol. So, there is no feeling of any kind & no remembrance of any kind. There is simply no "awareness" of self or anything else. Nada. Uh uh. Nope. No you, nobody, no thing, no sensation of any kind - just no nothing at all.

If you are a kid or a coward and can't understand or accept this then go ahead, take the easy way out. Cling to the fairy tales you've been told or those of your own elaboration. But it's a losers game because no matter how elaborate and no matter with what passion we believe our own stories, efforts like that will only insure your future demise and one day lead to your deepest experience of true TERROR, the likes of which you can scarcely imagine. For a few moments anyway, when at the point of death, you will fleetingly witness the complete and utter dissolution of everything that is "you". Perhaps you will remember my words as your rapidly fading mind goes screaming into oblivion - ahh, but then it WILL be too late my friend. Like the untold billions upon billions of humans that have gone before you, you will thus follow. One more idiot to add to the list entitled "The Forsaken" if ever there was such a list.

The legendary rock artist/poet Jim Morrison once said: "Nobody gets outta here alive." While that may be true on one level, I have had experiences that convince me each of us do have an opportunity, while still alive, to find a doorway out of this rat cage. Not talking suicide of course! Just the opposite - it is a way that involves embracing life instead of running away from it. In the process you rise above it all but still remain here, grounded in reality, alive and well, living out the course of your life as normal but without all the fear and loathing that accompanies one who is otherwise condemned to live like a slave, like a trapped animal or someone who desperately clings to a set of old beliefs that are becoming increasing untenable over time.

Aside from advances in science and medicine, there is a way to achieve more life, to postpone death and even defeat it but no one can tell you how. There is a doorway, a portal, a more fully human way of living, but you have to discover it for yourself. Though invisible, the doorway is there. Only you can find it. Only you can start with the "knocking". This is everyones most important task in life. Our foremost raison d'être! Everything else will follow of its own accord.

in your opinion - have you died? how do you know?

cogito ergo sum!

rene' descartes had it right.

p.s. btw. wtf? 4 u 2 evn ask me that Q means u didn't even read any of that which i wrote above and that you just now cited!

conclusion: u sir, r a complete f'ing moron and not worthy of coming before Men such as me. I, and the likes of Me, stride like God's among lesser mortals such as you. I am the Philosopher King. you are a mere dilitante. therefore, as of this moment u and ur ilk have become as invisible to me.

Originally posted by jOHN_Anderton
cogito ergo sum!

rene' descartes had it right.

p.s. btw. wtf? 4 u 2 evn ask me that Q means u didn't even read any of that which i wrote above and that you just now cited!

conclusion: u sir, r a complete f'ing moron and not worthy of coming before Men such as me. I, and the likes of Me, stride like God's among lesser mortals such as you. I am the Philosopher King. you are a mere dilitante. therefore, as of this moment u and ur ilk have become as invisible to me.

I was gaining a respect for you and your post until now. If you are truly above the other person, you would say nothing. All that slander does is lower yourself to the feet of the very low. 😄

To John Anderton: I have narowed down the possibilities, and have reached the twin beliefs that you must be a) suffering from multiple personality disorder b) have a brother who constantly types for you c) revert to your baser urges in order to bludgeon your opponents to death. Whatever your reason, I look forward to your blind and futile rants and delusions of grandeur.

How do you know that death is the opposite of life. We don't know this, you probably don't unless you speak to me from the land of the dead, which contradicts your above statements. Tell me. When have you ever seen anything become nothing. Iron rusts, it doesn't become nothing. Water evaporates into gas. These are all changes not dissipations. Ah, you may say, but people die. Well, when a person dies, the bodies become dirt. Wouldn't it make sense that the soul or essence is recycled as well?
Clearly you have no idea what you're talking about. 😉

Everything that exists, and evolves in time has to change, thats why in nature there is ages, cycles, stages, etc. In other words, change means that a stage has ended. Our personality, and ego, as well as our physical body are things that change with time too, and they are like stages that have to end sometime since its a natural law, and in this perspective death is when that stage end to become something else... the next stage. But does this means that our consciousness has to end ?
I think that anything in our consciousness that is temporal, or evolves with time, or change, has to end... but I think something like a eternal consciousness could exist if it does not depend on time, like a static consciousness.

omg please! i've read some of ur posts Shaky and ur a confused f'ing idiot like most of the other denizens of these deeps. i neither need nor care about ur respect or anything else about ur dumbass. u could drop dead right NOW and i would only be momentarily annoyed because of how i would hv to step over or around ur f'ing corpse - or worse, i would hv to kick loose ur groping grip frm my pant leg as you go thru ur boring death throes just before screaming off into oblivion.

be silent and learn. u hv forfeited ur privilege to speak as long as I am in this thread! assh##e.

Lol, what are you JA, twelve? See my above post.

Originally posted by Atlantis001
I think that anything in our consciousness that is temporal, or evolves with time, or change, has to end... but I think something like an eternal consciousness could exist if it does not depend on time, like a static consciousness.

Okay! Finally! Intelligence!

Hmmm, thats interesting Atlantis001 and I would tend to agree. The one thing that is constant about the universe in general is "change". Imo though, there is also an unchanging aspect of eternity within the "heart of hearts" of every person. THAT, is the doorway through which one can pass and become a true Immortal. So, before going off on a rave I can feel building up inside me right now, I will say that yes, there IS and there MUST be something eternal inside everything and this is of greatest consequence for sentient life forms that are also self-aware, as are humans. The problem is finding out how to gain access, how to cross its threshold and do so in a manner that is exploratory and aimed at bring back lost treasure, discovering latent abilities and skills and yes - becoming a Hero, a Superman, really and truly. This problem is exacerbated by religion and Western religion in particular, because they simply fail to see whats right in front of their collective noses, the Truth at the heart of their own religious traditions, the true and accurate meaning and interpretation of Christs words. And that applies to ALL other religious traditions too, not just Christianity. More often than not, religions are built around great, enlightened men and women who for whatever reasons, have crossed through the deep portal I allude to above. Not only did they live to tell about it, they generally brought back something intangible but powerful, some knowledge or Force of spirit that has an incredibly positive effect on all those around them - even on an entire society.

But don't bother going to your local priest or minister asking for advice. They are, in a word, clueless! So, for a whole TWO THOUSAND f'ing years or more, not only have we in the West, NOT enjoyed the sage advice and assistance one SHOULD receive from our religious leaders, we have, most horribly, been persecuted by them, been taken advantage of by them and even been insulted, abused, tortured, murdered and terrified by them! They have been responsible for genocide, no less! How many times have nations, on both sides, gone to war in the name of "God". It's sickening to me as a member of this species, and quite embarrassing too. In fact, it's safe to say that the one single institution responsible for more human suffering and misery for all of recorded human history has been that of organized religion! I f'ing HATE all of them and wish they could be exterminated completely, utterly and finally. They are purveyors of a type of mental illness that has infected civilization throughout the ages - over two millennia now - and at the beginning of this new millennium, the 3rd millennium - it's time for them to foad - and time for the rest of us to take charge of our own destiny - to explore - to seek adventure - to discover for ourselves, the point and purpose of each one of our lives and then to begin our journey! What wonders lay along the way are going to change the world forever - in a good way. But there will be pitfalls and unexpected problems along the way too I'm sure. Imo what will transpire is something the creative writers of scifi/fantasy have already anticipated, to a degree, and also alot that they could never have imagined or foretold. This is a great time to be alive on planet Earth! No doubt.

I must digress about the great time to be alive, but the rest is "mostly" true.

I too think that religion is not the solution, but the understanding of some kind of eternal consciousness is still of spiritual nature, although I don´t think religion nowadays knows much about spirituality, its more a social code of behavior, and culture. Religious people that I know are not necessarily spiritual. I think religion is related to it, but we need to understand it in the right way.

Righteous!